Best character to learn the game with?

[Dwolfin]

and not just that, throw me in the deep end. i dont want to win in bliss, I want a character that awards me solely on playing well, a character enforces me to get gud.

[Riding into the night]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av FishBunjin:

Okay but then what is the point of being in this thread? Or even responding to the dude you responded to? OP is inquiring about a character that intuitively forces good play on you at the lowest level, no matter what your scruples are regarding how much harder Alisa is than Kazuya at a level where people are no longer going through growing pains is hardly relevant.

That's not what he asked.

He asked for a character tat rewards it.

Hey listen man I had this back and forth with the other guy im sure if you scroll up you will be answered

[Riding into the night]

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Lee Chaobla

Based

[AvidExpert]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 天佑中共🐥The Wisdom of the Empire:

Lee Chaobla

Good char but takes too long for newcomer imo.

You spend so much time learning Lee, you have less time to focus on defencive habits and conditioning with enemy and all the rest of the good mojo.

Same reason although JIn was great in T7 Fundamentally etc, he was not a good starting char.

If you like Lee though he will teach a lot of good stuff

[Riding into the night]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Davii:

Opprinnelig skrevet av FishBunjin:

So, not only have I addressed this in the original post you responded to, but I addressed it again in my subsequent response, real question do I need to go over it again? I don't understand if you can't read or this is that chip on shoulder thing I mentioned.

Additionally why are you so upset? I haven't deliberately tried to antagonise you once (maybe you construed something I said in such a way) but you're doing some weird gen z passive aggression and I'm confused where it's coming from.

Bro I am not upset, I am passionate about Tekken.

Don't misread it.

I am also competitive in my mentality at this game so if I get into a debate with someone expect some jabs and stuff, if I didn't have this mentality I wouldn't be able to push myself to git gud asf.

That's acceptable and respectable, I very seldom actually discuss on steam forums so I could be reading far into something and that's on me.

Anyways, if it's any consolation, I really don't care for ff2 in this game either, I feel there could have been a way to make him fit with the game while preserving his identity instead of giving him what I feel is a crutch move,

[Zako]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 天佑中共🐥The Wisdom of the Empire:

Lee Chaobla

The one and only

[AvidExpert]

Opprinnelig skrevet av FishBunjin:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Davii:

Bro I am not upset, I am passionate about Tekken.

Don't misread it.

I am also competitive in my mentality at this game so if I get into a debate with someone expect some jabs and stuff, if I didn't have this mentality I wouldn't be able to push myself to git gud asf.

That's acceptable and respectable, I very seldom actually discuss on steam forums so I could be reading far into something and that's on me.

Anyways, if it's any consolation, I really don't care for ff2 in this game either, I feel there could have been a way to make him fit with the game while preserving his identity instead of giving him what I feel is a crutch move,

I guess the only good thing here is kaz was destroyed less than Jin was.

Jin was torn apart molecule by molecule. He is gone, Jin no longer exists in any capacity.

[Riding into the night]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Davii:

Opprinnelig skrevet av FishBunjin:

That's acceptable and respectable, I very seldom actually discuss on steam forums so I could be reading far into something and that's on me.

Anyways, if it's any consolation, I really don't care for ff2 in this game either, I feel there could have been a way to make him fit with the game while preserving his identity instead of giving him what I feel is a crutch move,

I guess the only good thing here is kaz was destroyed less than Jin was.

Jin was torn apart molecule by molecule. He is gone, Jin no longer exists in any capacity.

I can't speak as much to T7 Jin, like I do know he's technical but I never picked him up.

That being said I'm no stranger to having a character I'm enamoured with completely changed when a new release rolls around, it's alittle shocking with Tekken since it's less expected for them to overhaul legacy characters, but I digress.

[T1g3r]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zako:

Opprinnelig skrevet av 天佑中共🐥The Wisdom of the Empire:

Lee Chaobla

The one and only

Lee + Steve = Scrub Chars

carried hard

[Zako]

Opprinnelig skrevet av T1g3r:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zako:

The one and only

Lee + Steve = Scrub Chars

carried hard

Lee steve and bryan individually sh*t on all your characters combined

Stick to feng,ling etc.. and just be quiet,leave the real characters to the real players

[T1g3r]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zako:

Opprinnelig skrevet av T1g3r:

Lee + Steve = Scrub Chars

carried hard

Lee steve and bryan individually sh*t on all your characters combined

Stick to feng,ling etc.. and just be quiet,leave the real characters to the real players

just no, but fits that u also play bryan lmao

[Zako]

Indeed it is fitting

[Dwolfin]

I think the Alisa Kaz argument was more opinion as I think asking who the most fundamental character is a pretty hard-to-answer question, being fundamentals might be hard even to define, and also hard to define at what point something is cheap and not cheap in certain areas.

[Tourette's Guy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SteveGoatFox:

Steve Fox or Bryan.

Bad advice. They are two of the most complex characters.

[Lieutenant ClapDatAss]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Dwolfin:

Opprinnelig skrevet av progste:

I would say Paul is a good option, he's fairly honest while not requiring too much execution.
Yes he can deathfist for a million damage but everyone knows what he's about and your 50/50 is the most direct high vs low.

Honest characters in general will force you to learn the game mechanics since you can't just rely on knowledge checks or some OP moves.

If you want the (possibly)hardest character with no panic moves that would be Kazuya.

Ive thought about Paul, and also Kazuya sounds appealing but I know I will truly jumping into the deepest end on that one.

Would playing a newcomer character be a good idea also possibly?

I play both of these characters & would suggest to play Paul. He is the Ryu of the game. He has everything but is very honest. Can't cheese with cheap stuff. He's middle of the road but is good. He'll teach you Tekken. Kazuya is extremely difficult & is played a certain way. He's a 50 50 mix up character with high execution requirements. You have to know the match up better then the other player & you have to know how to punish at least 5 or more things. Also playing keep out or whiff punishing with electrics is very important otherwise they can just rush you down. He has bad pokes, strings are garbage, no throw game. He does however have some of the best +frames in the game & counter hitting game. He can literally frame trap you with 1 move & if they press they could eat 50%.

[Riding into the night]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Dwolfin:

I think the Alisa Kaz argument was more opinion as I think asking who the most fundamental character is a pretty hard-to-answer question, being fundamentals might be hard even to define, and also hard to define at what point something is cheap and not cheap in certain areas.

I'm gonna assume you are talking about the discussion I had with the two gentlemen, yesterday.

I never argued this, they might have repeatedly misconstrued what I said to mean I think Kazuya is "fundamental" and Alisa isn't but I could honestly care less, I was simply saying from first hand experience, Alisa is not a character that rewards a new player for playing well while punishing them for playing poorly.

She (and many other characters) is designed similarly to older fighting game characters in the sense that she has many many moves that are simply bad or at best niche, but I think Alisa in particular is one of the worst offenders when it comes to this.

As a result a newer player may find themselves coasting through ranks until they are stopped dead in their tracks because many of these "bad" moves are only bad once your opponent actually has an understanding of the game and your character.

This sucks especially because now you have to actually relearn your character in a much more oppressive environment, which of course will in a roundabout way net you the Alisa described by the people I spoke to, a fairly honest character that has to play well to succeed.

If you've played any of the new sf you can think of Alisa like E. Honda, a character that is very easy to use and incredibly effective against people who haven't put in the lab work, but has to play in a much more tame way to fight somebody who has.

I'm sure with some restraint you can curb this but the way your original post was phrased I understood "I'm learning the game, I want a character that won't let me get dubious wins and will intuitively reward me for playing well, as a beginner" which is a tall order, and certainly not Alisa.

This "phenomenon" happens to some extent to EVERY character in Tekken but much less so to a character like Bryan or Kazuya because there is really only one way to learn them, their gameplan is basic and remains enforceable at all levels, they don't have nearly as many moves that make new players actively worse at the character when they adopt them into their repertoire.