Am I delusional or is Kazuya indeed a hard character?

[Tanikaze]

I have played almost exclusively Kazuya in 7, got to learn his moves and strategies. I wouldn't consider myself a pro obviously, i still have fkn lots to learn but why is it that the character i played the most, know the most, handle the best and feel the best for me is the hardest one to actually win actual pvp matches? Its not as bad as it sounds, 55-65% winrate for me, but still very hard sweaty.

Interestingly enough, when trying Chars like Lars, Leo, Asuka or even Steve, i not only do better in terms of win/lose ratio but also find it a lot easier to actually do stuff with those. I seriously doubt that they'd be "less complicated" than Kazuya, they literally have double the moves hense more freedom in terms of combos but it FEELS easier. I have to sweat way too hard to win online matches as Kazuya. If i know the opponments char, Lars gets me the win with less stress. It really FEELS like Kazuya doesn't really allow for mistakes let alone fail in timing in any way. Am I wrong with this?

I have heard so much negative stuff about Kazuya players (still not as much as Eddie or Chloe players lmao); is it really this bad to like Mishima? Should i really feel ashamed because of it?

I know that Kazuya generelly is the char with the most basic kit, in 7 he had no hopkick, no panic move, no stances, no bullcrap, pure and basic TEKKEN mechanic + timing which you would have to have "mastered". In 7, playing against (well basically) any other character felt unfair because of all this extra sht they have but i still kept going because i love Kazuya too much lmao

I won't stop maining him, i won't stop trying, i will keep climbing the ranks and will improve every single time but SERIOUSLY WHY IS IT SO MUCH HARDER THAN WITH ANYONE ELSE?

[JyoKun]

The only Mishima that you can be proud to play with is... Kuma Mishima !!!

[I predict the past]

He is one of the hardest, but I feel like people often exaggerate and make it sound like it's a character only for galaxy brain people when he isn't. I have 60% WR with him despite my medical issues when it comes to the bones in my hands, so I can't do the crazy execution stuff too often and I still climb. Of course I understand a bunch of match ups and know a thing or two about the game which does help a lot, but I wouldn't consider myself a great Tekken player.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Tanikaze:

I have played almost exclusively Kazuya in 7, got to learn his moves and strategies. I wouldn't consider myself a pro obviously, i still have ♥♥♥ lots to learn but why is it that the character i played the most, know the most, handle the best and feel the best for me is the hardest one to actually win actual pvp matches? Its not as bad as it sounds, 55-65% winrate for me, but still very hard sweaty.

Interestingly enough, when trying Chars like Lars, Leo, Asuka or even Steve, i not only do better in terms of win/lose ratio but also find it a lot easier to actually do stuff with those. I seriously doubt that they'd be "less complicated" than Kazuya, they literally have double the moves hense more freedom in terms of combos but it FEELS easier. I have to sweat way too hard to win online matches as Kazuya. If i know the opponments char, Lars gets me the win with less stress. It really FEELS like Kazuya doesn't really allow for mistakes let alone fail in timing in any way. Am I wrong with this?

I have heard so much negative stuff about Kazuya players (still not as much as Eddie or Chloe players lmao); is it really this bad to like Mishima? Should i really feel ashamed because of it?

I know that Kazuya generelly is the char with the most basic kit, in 7 he had no hopkick, no panic move, no stances, no bullcrap, pure and basic TEKKEN mechanic + timing which you would have to have "mastered". In 7, playing against (well basically) any other character felt unfair because of all this extra sht they have but i still kept going because i love Kazuya too much lmao

I won't stop maining him, i won't stop trying, i will keep climbing the ranks and will improve every single time but SERIOUSLY WHY IS IT SO MUCH HARDER THAN WITH ANYONE ELSE?

Ye literally mained him in tekken 7 now i sweat but i can switch to hwo know zero combos do some basic d34 cancels or other f4 44 db4 set ups and win with ease or even reina but she is harder

[Ríck T]

I never played Tekken, and I play a lot of fighting games. With 1 hour practicing Victor, I went to ranked and I'm already at Eliminator.

I now have 5 hours practicing Jin and I feel like a blob. Like I don't know 5% of what the character can do. I played just a little bit of Kazuya and he looks even harder. But you did play him in 7 right? So it shouldn't be that much different than 8. Just a really hard character overrall.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Ríck ʞɔı̣ꓤ:

I never played Tekken, and I play a lot of fighting games. With 1 hour practicing Victor, I went to ranked and I'm already at Eliminator.

I now have 5 hours practicing Jin and I feel like a blob. Like I don't know 5% of what the character can do. I played just a little bit of Kazuya and he looks even harder. But you did play him in 7 right? So it shouldn't be that much different than 8. Just a really hard character overrall.

It is all about conditioning and mental frames he is very - on most of his moves so you need to force people to respect you and flip then on the ground for 50/50 vortex

[Tanikaze]

Originally posted by Ríck ʞɔı̣ꓤ:

I never played Tekken, and I play a lot of fighting games. With 1 hour practicing Victor, I went to ranked and I'm already at Eliminator.

I now have 5 hours practicing Jin and I feel like a blob. Like I don't know 5% of what the character can do. I played just a little bit of Kazuya and he looks even harder. But you did play him in 7 right? So it shouldn't be that much different than 8. Just a really hard character overrall.

Yeah, Tekken 7 i was maining Kazuya already; basically the first character i touched, then didn't like him, then watched LORE videos of Tekken, tried him again on a slightly more serious note and i fell in love with him.

Obviously he is MOSTLY the same in 8 and thats why i feel like i'm struggeling just as much as in 7 because you guessed it, others have just as much extra crap which Kazuya lacks.

[Necropants]

If hes not a hard character no character in this game is, so yes.
But in T8 they have greatly lowered the barrier of entry to play him with demon paw and upgraded D1+2 so hes actually easier than ever.

But the skill ceiling is not really lowered. You need really good execution to do his most advanced stuff / damaging combos ect.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by Ríck ʞɔı̣ꓤ:

I never played Tekken, and I play a lot of fighting games. With 1 hour practicing Victor, I went to ranked and I'm already at Eliminator.

I now have 5 hours practicing Jin and I feel like a blob. Like I don't know 5% of what the character can do. I played just a little bit of Kazuya and he looks even harder. But you did play him in 7 right? So it shouldn't be that much different than 8. Just a really hard character overrall.

That's because of their playstyles. Victor is a rushdown with some bits and pieces of technical sprinkled in.

Kazuya and Jin, on the other hand, much like Reina, are pretty damn technical, instead.

The only rushdown Mishima, in the game, is Kuma, albeit only to an extent (because he's slow and that kinda defeats the purpose of being a rushdown, in the first place).

[Zagryzaec]

Yes he is. And it's not just execution from your end. It is honest behaviour from his moves on fail and relianse on fundamental stuff.

He has strong stuff, maybe broken at points, but when he make mistake, he pays hard that force his players both master execution and fundamentals.

[son]

hes not hard in this game due to ff2

[Lieutenant ClapDatAss]

I'd argue & say he is the hardest character to play due to execution & not having any real cheese to use. You have to be able to vortex, whiff punish with electric, switch up your timing, & have good reads.

[Castyles]

So I labbed Reina a bit more and can confirm that she can also be used for a rushdown playstyle, very similar to either Victor or Law and, to an extent, Jun. Now I see why she's VERY popular among lots of players, especially casuals and/or noobs.

Hwoarang is an interesting case, speaking of which. Same goes for Steve.

People keep spamming their kicks/punches and always come up in your face non-stop but they're not really THAT good for such a playstyle. Hell, I'd even argue Steve is on the same level of Xiaoyu and she's a stance character, ffs.

[Henzu]

It's not difficulty, everybody knows the matchup and u need to know other characters which are filled with cheese

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Henzu:

It's not difficulty, everybody knows the matchup and u need to know other characters which are filled with cheese

It's not just match up.

When he does hellsweep and hit block he stagger, not going on like many other characters even if they -15. When he punishable you can hit him with standard tools. He has range of fundamental fighter on majority of his moves. He has to learn defence. He risk with his strong moves unlike many others. His moves are well visualized and no confusing, pretty slow.

Outside of electric that needs it recovery massively nerfed so he can't just spam it. And yes I do duck punish it on prediction but this is not the point.

[3ddojostudios]

its not you bro he is very bad in this game. not like he was really good in T7 neither specially him being a 50-50 character then. in T8 he gets beat to the punch on basically every. he has flashy moves but they come at a Big risk also the moves he is known for has high risk to. most of the easy to play and carry characters in this game has tracking built into most of there moves Kaz doesn't. God fist has been nerf which i was shocked but it turned it into a ad thing to use unless you are sure it will connect. and last other then him being mad slow based to the other characters his recovery is just sad. Btw my win rate is 87.255% by that being said if you are playing Kaz you're just a fan boy. There's to many characters that can do what he does, way better, faster, and with a single button.