About Jun

[Make otgf -9 pls]

https://x.com/holyknee/status/1754144810045485540?s=20
Thoughts?

[gauldath]

nothing is seen in the link

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by gauldath:

nothing is seen in the link

Knee said:
Fact : Jun is broken 😇

She has no weakness point.
Launcher is safe (like f+2),
good poking, strong homing and guarantee follow up, too strong combo dmg (almost 90) & wall combo.
13f heat smash & recovery

If you don't believe this, try it

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by gauldath:

nothing is seen in the link

Knee said:
Fact : Jun is broken 😇

She has no weakness point.
Launcher is safe (like f+2),
good poking, strong homing and guarantee follow up, too strong combo dmg (almost 90) & wall combo.
13f heat smash & recovery

If you don't believe this, try it

Isn't it too early? She slamminge dead but I already found two weakness in her spam. The only problem is that she has more than 2 moves )

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Knee said:
Fact : Jun is broken 😇

She has no weakness point.
Launcher is safe (like f+2),
good poking, strong homing and guarantee follow up, too strong combo dmg (almost 90) & wall combo.
13f heat smash & recovery

If you don't believe this, try it

Isn't it too early? She slamminge dead but I already found two weakness in her spam. The only problem is that she has more than 2 moves )

For some chars it is too early imo but few chars are obviously in need of nerf

[Zagryzaec]

How can we talk about nerfs if we don't know yet how to play vs them?

[le merveilleux]

i dont really care about metas or stuff like that, the pros dont waste their time here.
also, i just play reina, if someone beats my ass, i will just say "huh GG man"
and move on

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

How can we talk about nerfs if we don't know yet how to play vs them?

You don't need to know how to play against a char to know if they need nerfs or not

Example: combo in neutral doing 90 dmg on wake up if you do anything else than stay still on the ground then you are eating death combo
Example: Tekken 7 and homing hellsweep patch which lasted for about week or so
Example: (never happened in game but would be obviously op) unreactable launching snake edge

[Zagryzaec]

Unreactable snake edge is called hellsweep.

If guy has both mg but this death combo and you can avoid it by just staying on the ground maybe it doesn't require nerf

Also there is lots of things that may seem like they need nerf but actually balanced perfectly, or has intended ways to deal with them and you just don't understand the design and as a result nerf balanced character into unplayability.

One of such examples is nerf of dragunovs wr2 tracking in Tekken.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Unreactable snake edge is called hellsweep.

If guy has both mg but this death combo and you can avoid it by just staying on the ground maybe it doesn't require nerf

Also there is lots of things that may seem like they need nerf but actually balanced perfectly, or has intended ways to deal with them and you just don't understand the design and as a result nerf balanced character into unplayability.

One of such examples is nerf of dragunovs wr2 tracking in Tekken.

Look at bryan snake edge and imagine it is 18f that is what i am talking about

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Unreactable snake edge is called hellsweep.

If guy has both mg but this death combo and you can avoid it by just staying on the ground maybe it doesn't require nerf

Also there is lots of things that may seem like they need nerf but actually balanced perfectly, or has intended ways to deal with them and you just don't understand the design and as a result nerf balanced character into unplayability.

One of such examples is nerf of dragunovs wr2 tracking in Tekken.

If drag iwr2 was tracking then i would stop playing online lmao ridiculous

[kiteless 凧無し]

Jun's wall combo ender is totally busted, it does way too much damage
FF+3 3+4 1+2

this needs nerfing big time

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Unreactable snake edge is called hellsweep.

If guy has both mg but this death combo and you can avoid it by just staying on the ground maybe it doesn't require nerf

Also there is lots of things that may seem like they need nerf but actually balanced perfectly, or has intended ways to deal with them and you just don't understand the design and as a result nerf balanced character into unplayability.

One of such examples is nerf of dragunovs wr2 tracking in Tekken.

If drag iwr2 was tracking then i would stop playing online lmao ridiculous

It's supposed to be tracking but not homing.

Do you know that Jin's 2,1,3 has tracking? Are you okey with this? The one where he hit with leg downward. He mixing it up with 2,1,4 where he does roundhouse.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

If drag iwr2 was tracking then i would stop playing online lmao ridiculous

It's supposed to be tracking but not homing.

Do you know that Jin's 2,1,3 has tracking? Are you okey with this? The one where he hit with leg downward. He mixing it up with 2,1,4 where he does roundhouse.

Jin is a topic for separate discussion with tools like d2 213 b21 df2 uf2

[Zagryzaec]

The point is - we can't nerf characters untill we learn them.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

The point is - we can't nerf characters untill we learn them.

You can totally nerf Jun when it's obviously bonkers.

https://youtu.be/sFngEB4BlvA?si=WWlVRjUDrpN9zv_S

Safe launchers with nearly 100 without even doing optimised combos?

Yea...i think anyone with two functional braincells to rub together can see she's busted and needs toning down.