To Wi-Fi Warriors

[Vextalyst]

I'm going to say this as compassionately as i can.

I understand that many people are in a situation where wiring up is impossible. I also know that many people who don't wire up could if they really wanted to but for those who can't, I'm sorry. I really am, but as someone in another thread said in this game wifi is uniquely horrible (though i'd argue it's pretty bad in most 3d fighters) and you can't get mad or throw a tantrum when people don't want to deal with that.

If you show up to a tennis match with a faulty racket which has potential to ruin the game for everyone, sure some people might play with you but you can't get offended or indignant when most people don't. It doesn't matter what legitimate reasons you have for not playing with a proper racket, it's beyond selfish to expect people to accommodate you.

Selfishness that becomes very telling when those same people don't want to "be stuck playing other wifi users". As harsh as it may sound, people should get used to being rejected when showing up with faulty equipment especially in ranked.

[C.D.J. Grazza]

Trolling me thinks you are maybe: lmao

Using the word "LITERALLY" in all caps does not make your evidence stronger. It DOES make your emphasis stronger of what you are typing after the all caps, so all good with me. But what you type next is not really evidence. Is it?

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

I have LITERALLY gave result ofy latency test for both WI Fi and Ethernet. Both are twice as fast as a single Tekken frame and WI Fi happen to be MORE stable in latency than Ethernet cable.

What does the above mean????

Zagryzaec, please "Show us your work" then we can trust your claims. It's simple.

I happen to personally be ok with playing against a good wifi connection, (no body cares I know) but still anyone advocating for Wi-fi has to do a better job, with the 'proof' if we are to CONVINCE folk that wifi is OK :-) lol

Peace and GGs

Dojo

[C.D.J. Grazza]

Is it possible since this thread seems to be about good connection quality; that perhaps folk could find tekken resources about how to get the most out of your connection?
(whether using wifi or cabled (LAN cable).

In the end people will be using both types of connections because it's the modern world and wifi is real. EDIT: I deleted the link because it's simply too tekken 7 focused. I hope someone good at tekken does one for tekken 8 only.

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There are other ways to improve your connection if using wi-fi or a LAN cable:

1. Wifi: Get closer to your router and making sure you don't have any other programs running in the background other than tekken.

2. Plugging in a cable will always be a simple way to improve online as everyone has already said. If you are not able to plug in a cable, I think don't worry about it.

3. Wifi or LAN: Try to play tekken at a time when others in the same network are not also using the internet heavily. It will help. XD

4. Wifi or LAN: Try to play tekken when you are not also watching Netflix and youtube at the same time etc etc.


GGs

Dojo

[Meddle92]

Publicado originalmente por Vextalyst:

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism.

Yeah...comparing people not wanting to play with you in a videogame to racism or Nazism really is the easiest way to broadcast you have nothing of value to say and should never be taken seriously.

For everyone else, the difference between wired and wifi is well documented and wifi will always have more packet loss and is thus inferior for fighting games period. Depending on the netcode, the effects of this inferiority can be greatly diminished but in T8 netcode it is absolutely not.

Quite frankly it's just another insult to Hitler and his band of merry men.

[Cam]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism. One group of people want to feel superior.

Been playing more than thousand of matches in discriminatory vs both WI Fi and cable enemies with both WI Fi and cable. Effectively it doesn't matter. Just a faulty prejudice.

The only thing faulty here is you. That's the worst take I've ever read, congratulations. "Skipping wi-fi matches is racism" lol. lmao.

[Zagryzaec]

I can't ping from phone without installing apps and I know from expirience that whatever I do people on forum will blatantly disregard my efforts.

Yes it is literally short test that I got on first working speed test that works for both PC and smartphone.

In my history on steam forum I've been making screenshots, videos, literally fighting other forum members (in Tekken naturally) and results was always the same. I spend ton of time for people just to shrug off and keep repeating their nonsense. Or even accuse me of editing screenshots. (I did edit image this time to crop out my geographical location and isp/ping server from test for obvious reasons.)

For both streaming gaming and whatever else it is marked as graet for both WI Fi on phone and Ethernet on PC.
https://ibb.co/7bgTjj9
1000 packets is enough? I can't do more. At least test does not do more by default however I did it several times instead and never lost a single one. Nor on WI Fi nor on PC.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por Cam:

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism. One group of people want to feel superior.

Been playing more than thousand of matches in discriminatory vs both WI Fi and cable enemies with both WI Fi and cable. Effectively it doesn't matter. Just a faulty prejudice.

The only thing faulty here is you. That's the worst take I've ever read, congratulations. "Skipping wi-fi matches is racism" lol. lmao.

No. It has the same underlying mechanism as any other discrimination like racism, Nazism, sexism, or other stupid illogical stuff. I don't know how you come up with those and even if you speak seriously or just trolling at this point.

[Gleap]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

I can't ping from phone without installing apps and I know from expirience that whatever I do people on forum will blatantly disregard my efforts.

Yes it is literally short test that I got on first working speed test that works for both PC and smartphone.

In my history on steam forum I've been making screenshots, videos, literally fighting other forum members (in Tekken naturally) and results was always the same. I spend ton of time for people just to shrug off and keep repeating their nonsense. Or even accuse me of editing screenshots. (I did edit image this time to crop out my geographical location and isp/ping server from test for obvious reasons.)

For both streaming gaming and whatever else it is marked as graet for both WI Fi on phone and Ethernet on PC.
https://ibb.co/7bgTjj9
1000 packets is enough? I can't do more. At least test does not do more by default however I did it several times instead and never lost a single one. Nor on WI Fi nor on PC.

packet loss being 0% is like the bare minimum for a working network wifi or wired, the other guy was just spitting nonsense regarding packet loss specifically. But the jitter numbers you are seeing in whatever apps here seem impossible at best so I don't trust your testing.

testing should be done with an actual computer not a cellphone however pingtools on android is the best tool I am aware of for actual good testing. jitter should be partially evident in like 100 packets, 1000 should be plenty. sub 30ms jitter is good for wifi, sub 5 for hardwired. Packet loss should never occur, if it happens even once I consider the network unusable for anything.

if you need help with more in depth testing let me know.

[Gleap]

for reference on a high end ubiquity wifi setup about 13 inches from the router I see an average jitter of 5.8MS and a peak of about 22ms. so my jitter is 22ms. I would be pretty surprised if almost anyone beat my results without stacking the test heavily.

hardwired I see an average jitter of 2ms and a peak of 3ms so my jitter is 3ms. I built this router myself its a pfsense more powerful than half of this threads computers so again I'd be surprised if anyone actually tests accurately and beats it by any significant margin.

Wifi having 1ms actual jitter seems impossible.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por Gleap:

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

I can't ping from phone without installing apps and I know from expirience that whatever I do people on forum will blatantly disregard my efforts.

Yes it is literally short test that I got on first working speed test that works for both PC and smartphone.

In my history on steam forum I've been making screenshots, videos, literally fighting other forum members (in Tekken naturally) and results was always the same. I spend ton of time for people just to shrug off and keep repeating their nonsense. Or even accuse me of editing screenshots. (I did edit image this time to crop out my geographical location and isp/ping server from test for obvious reasons.)

For both streaming gaming and whatever else it is marked as graet for both WI Fi on phone and Ethernet on PC.
https://ibb.co/7bgTjj9
1000 packets is enough? I can't do more. At least test does not do more by default however I did it several times instead and never lost a single one. Nor on WI Fi nor on PC.

packet loss being 0% is like the bare minimum for a working network wifi or wired, the other guy was just spitting nonsense regarding packet loss specifically. But the jitter numbers you are seeing in whatever apps here seem impossible at best so I don't trust your testing.

testing should be done with an actual computer not a cellphone however pingtools on android is the best tool I am aware of for actual good testing. jitter should be partially evident in like 100 packets, 1000 should be plenty. sub 30ms jitter is good for wifi, sub 5 for hardwired. Packet loss should never occur, if it happens even once I consider the network unusable for anything.

if you need help with more in depth testing let me know.

That's cloudfire speed test or something like that. The point is - those are comparable numbers and latency is way lower than needed for Tekken.

I believe I've seen 50 to 100 Ms rtr in Tekken. Which part of this is 6-7 Ms WI Fi latency? Let's take it 20 - it's STILL not a major part of the latency you get in Tekken. The main latency comes from the network and distance.

As for testing WI Fi on PC - I have PC on Ethernet. I don't want to mess with routing table AGAIN after all my traffic will go through interface that physically don't exist just so people then looked hald a second on results I was getting for several hours and said that I just made them up or edited picture

How do I get maximum jitter, what else do I need to know.

[Gleap]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Gleap:

packet loss being 0% is like the bare minimum for a working network wifi or wired, the other guy was just spitting nonsense regarding packet loss specifically. But the jitter numbers you are seeing in whatever apps here seem impossible at best so I don't trust your testing.

testing should be done with an actual computer not a cellphone however pingtools on android is the best tool I am aware of for actual good testing. jitter should be partially evident in like 100 packets, 1000 should be plenty. sub 30ms jitter is good for wifi, sub 5 for hardwired. Packet loss should never occur, if it happens even once I consider the network unusable for anything.

if you need help with more in depth testing let me know.

That's cloudfire speed test or something like that. The point is - those are comparable numbers and latency is way lower than needed for Tekken.

I believe I've seen 50 to 100 Ms rtr in Tekken. Which part of this is 6-7 Ms WI Fi latency? Let's take it 20 - it's STILL not a major part of the latency you get in Tekken. The main latency comes from the network and distance.

As for testing WI Fi on PC - I have PC on Ethernet. I don't want to mess with routing table AGAIN after all my traffic will go through interface that physically don't exist just so people then looked hald a second on results I was getting for several hours and said that I just made them up or edited picture

How do I get maximum jitter, what else do I need to know.

Easiest way to test is literally just a long ping test and then compare your minimum response to your maximum response.

Ping google.com -t Is the go to lazy test.

[gaming gwimbly]

i'm on ethernet and pretty much every single match the last couple of days has had connection issues. Nothing wrong in any other game i play. anyone else experiencing this?

[Omnia Vanitas]

Publicado originalmente por Vextalyst:

I'm going to say this as compassionately as i can.

I understand that many people are in a situation where wiring up is impossible. I also know that many people who don't wire up could if they really wanted to but for those who can't, I'm sorry. I really am, but as someone in another thread said in this game wifi is uniquely horrible (though i'd argue it's pretty bad in most 3d fighters) and you can't get mad or throw a tantrum when people don't want to deal with that.

If you show up to a tennis match with a faulty racket which has potential to ruin the game for everyone, sure some people might play with you but you can't get offended or indignant when most people don't. It doesn't matter what legitimate reasons you have for not playing with a proper racket, it's beyond selfish to expect people to accommodate you.

Selfishness that becomes very telling when those same people don't want to "be stuck playing other wifi users". As harsh as it may sound, people should get used to being rejected when showing up with faulty equipment especially in ranked.

There legit needs to be a way to filter out wifi players. I just to "play" the game without any issues.

[DuckieMcduck]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism. One group of people want to feel superior.

This is a Godwin's law world record

[MisterEdd]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Vextalyst:

I'm going to say this as compassionately as i can.

I understand that many people are in a situation where wiring up is impossible. I also know that many people who don't wire up could if they really wanted to but for those who can't, I'm sorry. I really am, but as someone in another thread said in this game wifi is uniquely horrible (though i'd argue it's pretty bad in most 3d fighters) and you can't get mad or throw a tantrum when people don't want to deal with that.

If you show up to a tennis match with a faulty racket which has potential to ruin the game for everyone, sure some people might play with you but you can't get offended or indignant when most people don't. It doesn't matter what legitimate reasons you have for not playing with a proper racket, it's beyond selfish to expect people to accommodate you.

Selfishness that becomes very telling when those same people don't want to "be stuck playing other wifi users". As harsh as it may sound, people should get used to being rejected when showing up with faulty equipment especially in ranked.

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism. One group of people want to feel superior.

Been playing more than thousand of matches in discriminatory vs both WI Fi and cable enemies with both WI Fi and cable. Effectively it doesn't matter. Just a faulty prejudice.

Fighting games are unique in that they have to have alot of stuff synchronizing at all times. An fps for instance can just send a couple values for the position of the player and where they are aiming. Wifi can have alot of bandwidth but when it is sending data it isn't doing it in a steady fashion. There is jitter, packet loss, Signal issues, Adapter issues, Higher overall latency. Every time one of these issues arises for even what would normally be inconsequential it will desynchronize both players. There is a reason the developers literally put different icon's in the game because it really does make a difference.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por MisterEdd:

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

There is nothing faulty with WI Fi. It's basically just same mentality as racism or Nazism. One group of people want to feel superior.

Been playing more than thousand of matches in discriminatory vs both WI Fi and cable enemies with both WI Fi and cable. Effectively it doesn't matter. Just a faulty prejudice.

Fighting games are unique in that they have to have alot of stuff synchronizing at all times. An fps for instance can just send a couple values for the position of the player and where they are aiming. Wifi can have alot of bandwidth but when it is sending data it isn't doing it in a steady fashion. There is jitter, packet loss, Signal issues, Adapter issues, Higher overall latency. Every time one of these issues arises for even what would normally be inconsequential it will desynchronize both players. There is a reason the developers literally put different icon's in the game because it really does make a difference.

A proper presentation of your position.

But allow me to retort.
Rtt in Tekken comes more from signal travel than WI Fi delay.

You do know how transition of data works? Router constantly form packets into frames and constantly sends them.

WI Fi at this point translate info that is stored in memory of router.

Each packet needs to be calculated. The packets that are not processed yet sit and wait in memory of router.

As router process packets WI Fi automatically resolve any midtakes and lost packets that can occur at the same time previous packet is resolved.

It is constant process that is meant to work this way.