Dragunov players are carried hard

[T1g3r]

When its "their turn" or they get a lucky launch, then they can pressure and mash non-stop, strangely always being on plus - but once they are forced to play fair Tekken or must defend they lose lmao... noobs

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Publicado originalmente por Hosenbund:

yes i can fully agree with you, you seem to know what you are talking about

and yes im actually playing victor right now, will see how far i can get in the next days when i play more
Dragunov is my 2nd character right now, but i didnt have that much more problems climbing with him either, but he is not as high yet, but it for sure is a bit harder than as victor, as dragunov is a more honest character

but as you said, red ranks are way easier to reach in T8 than in T7, doesnt feel like im playing some high skill tekken there, maybe it is mid level

Yeah, I had a feeling you were going to say one of the newer characters. Victor is new and a lot of his stuff doesn't translate well for T7 players. The match-up has to be learned. Also, Dragunov in the current state is over-tuned compared to other characters. Honestly, tell me how your ranked sessions goes in a few weeks.

From where I'm at, I've capped around Shinryu. Mighty ruler players beat me, and I'm getting match-up gimmicked by Garyu players playing new characters. Albeit, I am a casual (but I do play this game as a hobby, I suppose), so one could say, it's mid-level in skill.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Publicado originalmente por T1g3r:

Publicado originalmente por C.C. しえんのとがひめ:

And your Xiaoyu isn't?

She has an advantage Alisa doesn't, which is punishing the opponent's muscle memory.

Considering a bunch of her moves got changed from mid high to mid mid, a lot of people who had the muscle memory to punish those moves will get hit by them, giving you free damage.

But don't worry, I already have recordings, so if you feel that Alisa "carried me" (which is someonething only one other scrub believes), you can watch and my games and see if your belief is true or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhl8688iPlE

I was just kidding, nice job (but yeah, I dont regard alisa tekken, sry; didnt disrespect your skill as a player though)

Your opinion on Alisa are irrelephant, she's a character like any other.

If we go by "character that doesn't play Tekken", nobody beats Xiaoyu accordion to the opinion of vast majority of players.

Both characters are Tekken characters, they both play Tekken just like any other character. Only people that can't be assed to learn the matchup that think, because it's not the players that decide what Tekken is or how it's supposed to be truly played.

So if Ruler with Alisa is Green with other characters because you don't consider her Tekken, then Red with Xiaoyu is Teal with other characters because some people don't consider her Tekken.

I don't do double standards so I'll hold you to your standard that you showed.

[OhGodBears]

Publicado originalmente por T1g3r:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

name one who can't?

chars without good pressure tools I guess

but there is zero of them

[Psycho Dad]

Are ppl really arguing that Drag doesnt have one of the most oppressive pressure games right now?
I'm not saying he's OP, I'm not saying that there is no counter play (can SS or even interrupt qcf+4 after alot crouch dash transitions), but his gameplan is clearly geared towards pressure, much more then most other characters.
3 very good + on block mids and a huge low that gives what +6, +7? 10 frame CH heat engager. Good throws.

What are you comparing this tool kit to that makes you think every character can do this? Oh, this character has a running slash kick, his pressure is as good as Drags? XD

[Grateful DEAD]

Publicado originalmente por Psycho Dad:

Are ppl really arguing that Drag doesnt have one of the most oppressive pressure games right now?
I'm not saying he's OP, I'm not saying that there is no counter play (can SS or even interrupt qcf+4 after alot crouch dash transitions), but his gameplan is clearly geared towards pressure, much more then most other characters.
3 very good + on block mids and a huge low that gives what +6, +7? 10 frame CH heat engager. Good throws.

What are you comparing this tool kit to that makes you think every character can do this? Oh, this character has a running slash kick, his pressure is as good as Drags? XD

while his pressure game is great and honest(weak to ss and poke)Dragunov ironically, weak to pressure himself,bad panic tools

[Zagryzaec]

He gets so much plus on hit because majority of his main attacks are extremely slow.

Also his damage or utility is weaker than analags from other chars.

For example where other launch with counter hit Dragunov just chip you a little. Where other knock you down into Oki Dragunov just give you frames on block.

The reason why Dragunov looks so op is because people who played him at massive handicap in Tekken 7 had no way around but to learn fundamental Tekken to just have a fighting chance. Now when you meet in Tekken 8 and he has tools equal or bit weaker than yours but his player has fundamental goal oriented mindset of course you getting bodied.

Some people cannot even comprehand that Dragunov can have mix ups now, even if they are weaker than for other characters.

[Krullexneo]

Dragonuv is honestly playing a different game and it's so boring fighting against him... He's in the OP category of "broken" imo. Feng also.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por T1g3r:

@ noobs, who called me having skill issues, Im red ranks online after one week, and you? (not too high but also not too bad Id say)

gonna be honest kaz and Ling both at red without using heat or juggles .. red is hard only from the netcode being janker the faster the opponent plays. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxtdz6zNj4PA4LYoiUNxvJ3aymgUcJA5kV

Dragonov can just out poke and then grab for massive damage he pretty much has everything tekken offers without the weaknesses he had in T7

[Necho]

100% agreed. Dragunov players are hard carried.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

Publicado originalmente por T1g3r:

@ noobs, who called me having skill issues, Im red ranks online after one week, and you? (not too high but also not too bad Id say)

gonna be honest kaz and Ling both at red without using heat or juggles .. red is hard only from the netcode being janker the faster the opponent plays. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxtdz6zNj4PA4LYoiUNxvJ3aymgUcJA5kV

Dragonov can just out poke and then grab for massive damage he pretty much has everything tekken offers without the weaknesses he had in T7

The only problem is that throws are broken on reaction and his only power low is weaker than majority of other powerliws of same cathegory.

Oh right and he always goes second due to speed and range deficiency, so he only get to play his game after you already had your chance and failed.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

gonna be honest kaz and Ling both at red without using heat or juggles .. red is hard only from the netcode being janker the faster the opponent plays. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxtdz6zNj4PA4LYoiUNxvJ3aymgUcJA5kV

Dragonov can just out poke and then grab for massive damage he pretty much has everything tekken offers without the weaknesses he had in T7

The only problem is that throws are broken on reaction and his only power low is weaker than majority of other powerliws of same cathegory.

Oh right and he always goes second due to speed and range deficiency, so he only get to play his game after you already had your chance and failed.

and yet due to such disadvantage hes up there with Eddie in progression.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

gonna be honest kaz and Ling both at red without using heat or juggles .. red is hard only from the netcode being janker the faster the opponent plays. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxtdz6zNj4PA4LYoiUNxvJ3aymgUcJA5kV

Dragonov can just out poke and then grab for massive damage he pretty much has everything tekken offers without the weaknesses he had in T7

The only problem is that throws are broken on reaction and his only power low is weaker than majority of other powerliws of same cathegory.

Oh right and he always goes second due to speed and range deficiency, so he only get to play his game after you already had your chance and failed.

Is that why he's in the top 5 winrates now?

Sorry mate, by your own standards, if a character is in the top 5 winrates, it's a carry character, and guess where Dragunov is?

In case you missed it, here's the stats:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1bzuxki/comment/kzdkc78/

[Zagryzaec]

But that's would be Alisa, bro.

Eddy Kuma Feng Alisa Lars is top five. Alisa top four carry character.

= : D
Then jack panda nina victor and only then Dragunov.

Well I'm glad sergei entered top ten at least.

That's from your own link.

Oh and thanks, I did miss this.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

But that's would be Alisa, bro.

Eddy Kuma Feng Alisa Lars is top five. Alisa top four carry character.

= : D
Then jack panda nina victor and only then Dragunov.

Well I'm glad sergei entered top ten at least.

That's from your own link.

Look at Fujin+, it's the very next chart, you couldn't have missed it unless it was intentional.

We already know the game pushes people to Fujin, or magically those don't matter?

Kinda funny isn't it? Suddenly at the ranks where people start understanding matchups and how to play the game, Alisa drops in winrate, but Dragunov is a top 5.

[99xvkJe66]

They sure are, a garyu dragunov has a chance of beating a fujin player or above simply by spamming, it's always their turn. One mistake and the dragunov player wins, it's like that every time. For brainless ppl this character.