Tekken 8 perfectly sums up everything wrong with fighting game design today

[JustAnotherYoyo]

I have been playing fighting games since Karate Champ and while I abandoned them for over a decade I have started to get back into them. I thought I would give Tekken 8 a try and wow...I think this is the least amount of fun I have ever had playing a fighting game in 40 years. I'm not saying it is the worst game ever made, but as a new player (the last Tekken I played seriously was the first), absolutely nothing about the mechanics of this game "works".
There is no fluidity of play; the entire game is based on ridiculously stupid combos, complex button presses/ triggers and the experience feels like some disjointed cinematic button memory game. It l's like they forgot to actually make the core fighting part of the game and instead made a "special move/ combo simulator" I get it, they are targeting the hardest of the hardcore; which is the problem. Because, to get good and enjoy this game, you would have to spend hours NOT enjoying it and just memorising stuff without enjoying any of the core fighting mechanics that the great fighters had. And who the hell wants to do that!? I remember decades ago when video game design used to be about fun. Now, it seems like the designers only want to create "visually striking virtual chores" that suck as much time away from your life as possible before you get to actually enjoy the product you paid for.

Anyways, I'm sure this will be $10 in 6 months and the developers will be scratching their heads wondering why it sold so poorly. Well, if you target the 0.0000000001% of the video game market, your sales usually reflect that...

[soul like that be capable of]

ignore this clown

[Valore]

I haven't played fighting games since Tekken 4/GG XX, so about 20 years, and I'm having an absolute blast.

[たかゆたっこ]

what ever happened, i'm happy for you, my condoleance.

[Arthandas]

Ugh, another 40 IQ post from someone who can't grasp even the most basic concepts.

Originally posted by JustAnotherYoyo:

"the developers will be scratching their heads wondering why it sold so poorly. Well, if you target the 0.0000000001% of the video game market, your sales usually reflect that..."

Yes, that's why T7 sold almost 11 mil copies, leaving all other fighting games (and many AAA titles) except MK in the dust. Your brain must be smoother, than a bowling ball, I'm surprised you're literate.

[son]

i think sam sho is more for you. it has minimal combos and rollback. also virtua fighter might come back in the coming years.

[JustAnotherYoyo]

Originally posted by / / /:

i think sam sho is more for you. it has minimal combos and rollback. also virtua fighter might come back in the coming years.

Ya, I have played (and own) every SNK fighting game made and I don't think any of them are as bad as T8. SNK and Capcom are still the kings in my book because all their games, regardless of how many "special moves" and "combos" they contain, still have solid core fighting mechanics. Oh well, to each their own...

[JustAnotherYoyo]

Originally posted by Arthandas:

Ugh, another 40 IQ post from someone who can't grasp even the most basic concepts.

Originally posted by JustAnotherYoyo:

"the developers will be scratching their heads wondering why it sold so poorly. Well, if you target the 0.0000000001% of the video game market, your sales usually reflect that..."

Yes, that's why T7 sold almost 11 mil copies, leaving all other fighting games (and many AAA titles) except MK in the dust. Your brain must be smoother, than a bowling ball, I'm surprised you're literate.

Just because something sells well, doesn't necessarily mean it's good. It means it's popular. Or it means, by the time people realized it was bad, the company already had their money.

[Haka]

Originally posted by Arthandas:

Ugh, another 40 IQ post from someone who can't grasp even the most basic concepts.
Yes, that's why T7 sold almost 11 mil copies, leaving all other fighting games (and many AAA titles) except MK in the dust.

And how many people play Fortnite? We're all wasting our time on fighting games I guess according to you. Not to mention, regardless of how mentally stunted Harada is, I don't suggest you just take whatever gets put in front of you like he wants everyone to. Without criticism, every game ends up more and more like each other in an attempt to figure out what sells bests.

I wasn't going to buy T8, but I had fun with the demo and i'm having fun with it now, but seriously, its got flaws, most of all trying to be like other fighting games when it doesn't need to.

Just like Fortnite making every FPS turning into a Circus or a Costume Party, more than being "inspired" by other fighting games, the Heat system is just them detaching the rage art from the rage system, but in a super clumsy way in trying to replicate the dash cancel mechanics in SF and Guilty Gear, while also acting as a bit of an install.

[Supa]

we have people saying it's too simple/flashy/spammy and then others say it's too hard/complex/difficult.

so which is it?

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Idk man. But, the public has spoken.. 93 on megacritic compared to SF6's 92, and higher steam review @90% overall vs. SF6 @86%. The majority of people that have purchased the game seem to be very pleased with the game, and we'll see how many players are retained after a few months.

Unfortunately, your made-up statistics don't reflect the reality. You might be in the minority that do not like this game, and my condolences for that. I've played T7, too, and compared to T8, it's a no contest in the game-play mechanics for me. Surprisingly, if you played T7, you would know how truly ridiculous combos were in that game.

So..perhaps these new concepts of T8 are more difficult to grasp for you, or is simply a matter of taste. But, that doesn't mean sums up why everything is wrong with fighting games with today. You seem to not have any problems with other games with super moves, so it just doesn't add up when you say it's bad for Tekken 8. Also, take account that it is a 3D fighter.

[Digishade]

I've been playing fighting games for as long as they've existed. I'm in my 40's.
Your experience is not universal. Tekken is not an easy game.

[Hosenbund]

Tekken 8 is amazing.. i feel like they need to do some balancing with the heat system and this game is great

to me this thread feels like just another "im too old for gaming nowadays, everything became too complex, games back then which just had 20 moves per character were much better"

its so stupid how many people lack the self reflection to realize this themselves..

How are so many people always blaming everything but themselves, even when its objectively a skill issue?

also remember.. you can always go back to play the old games too.. im sure there are even a handful of people online to play those, but you wont because they are garbage

[1337Dude]

I mean, if you haven't played Tekken since the first, it's pretty hard to take your opinion seriously on any fighting game.

[DXRKMDE]

You are stupid

[Arthandas]

Originally posted by JustAnotherYoyo:

Just because something sells well, doesn't necessarily mean it's good.

But most of the time it does. Also T7 has high user and critic ratings, which you conveniently ignore because apparently facts confuse you.

Originally posted by Hakageryu:

And how many people play Fortnite? We're all wasting our time on fighting games I guess according to you.

I don't know, who cares? What the ♥♥♥♥ are you even talking about? He said a game like Tekken will sell extremely poorly and I noted that T7 sold extremely well, which proves he's talking out of his ass, and now you're bringing out Fortnite for some reason? Funny you call Harada mentally stunted, when you're having problems with basic reading comprehension.