Ranked Is Terrible For Newcomers

[Yeish]

I have never touched a Tekken game before (if you discount dabbling for 15 minutes once in my lifetime) and I am sitting at Brawler rank with a win rate of the current antarctic weather temperature.

My opponents do Korean Backdash as if they were born with it. And meanwhile each time I somehow sneak a win in, probably because they played blindfolded when they saw my name, I keep ranking up and my winrate exceeds FP32 with how many zeros you have to append to it.

Why would the devs do such a thing? Elo rating is designed to show the win probability between two players. By having such a large amount of total required wins instead, I keep climbing the ranks when I absolutely shouldn't. So even with 94% loss rate (Elo difference of 400? points) I will keep climbing the ranks and it won't stop.

I know the game switches from Warrior on to a classic system. But this launch phase feels absolutely dreadful to play. Why not do a hybrid as Granblue Fantasy Versus? You can't climb down in the first ranks, but you will need to outplay the opponents on that rank and a subzero winrate as mine is not going to cut it. At Brawler rank I feel like an imposter. I barely grasp how the game flows yet.

I will learn the game with time, but I can't help but feel this alienates the entire newcomer faction of the playerbase and I am not sure what the devs were expecting with this implementation. Realistically new players have to wait until the good players rank up and play something else and in the meantime they stop playing Tekken at all?

I have played fighting games offline with a bunch of people where pretty much nobody knew how to play at all and neither anybody knew the obscure retro games. Let's just say a winrate like mine is not the norm for equal newcomers. Tekken 8 screwed this seriously up.

[Beyond]

Did you just compare chess elo system to the arbitrary numbers on the screen that measure your progress from one rank to another and in no way, shape, or form indicative of your performance in the game, but more of the result (win/loss)?

[Yeish]

Publicado originalmente por Beyond:

Did you just compare chess elo system to the arbitrary numbers on the screen

What do you think a ranked system is supposed to do? You are pretty close to understanding that Tekken's system is flawed exactly because of this.

[Beyond]

How is it flawed? You either move up, or you move down, there is no need for complexity. Besides, some characters can carry you through ranks due to unfamiliarity or knowledge requirement. Should these characters, and as a result these players, receive less rank points?

Should weaker characters receive more points? Who determines which one's which?

This game's rank system isn't elo because there is no MMR, there is no hidden system behind it to determine anything, it's just that: a number.

[Yeish]

Publicado originalmente por Beyond:

How is it flawed? You either move up, or you move down

You don't move down and that makes the experience miserable for the first ranks.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Yeish:

Publicado originalmente por Beyond:

How is it flawed? You either move up, or you move down

You don't move down and that makes the experience miserable for the first ranks.

its a get good either way

[Beyond]

How is that a bad thing? Just make a mental note that ranks don't start until warrior. Problem solved.

[Yeish]

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

its a get good either way

True, the developers should git gud and abolish this system and replace it with something which has been proven to work like an ELO ranking.

[Necropants]

The one thing were they are correct is that this game should not let you stick the intial ranking matches, thats causing alot of high level players to be put in beginner which is a bit rough for people entirely new. I ran the test and it put me into one rank from yellow

Fighting games typically don't have enough users to be that picky about who you are placed with though, if you find a match you find a match...

[Beyond]

Publicado originalmente por Yeish:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

its a get good either way

True, the developers should git gud and abolish this system and replace it with something which has been proven to work like an ELO ranking.

You are clueless.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Yeish:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

its a get good either way

True, the developers should git gud and abolish this system and replace it with something which has been proven to work like an ELO ranking.

I meant "ranked" in general is a player get good either way..

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Beyond:

How is that a bad thing? Just make a mental note that ranks don't start until warrior. Problem solved.

^ this 100%

[xawesomecorex]

you don't even lose points until overlord. This is the easiest ranked has ever been

[Yeish]

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

Publicado originalmente por Beyond:

How is that a bad thing? Just make a mental note that ranks don't start until warrior. Problem solved.

^ this 100%

Because it is zero fun and near zero usefulness to get bodied at a near zero win rate when better ranking methods than whatever this low rank pile of garbage is, exists.

[RE:Deemer]

Publicado originalmente por Sharkofspace:

You are new to the game.

You will get utterly destroyed online until you learn how to play and improve.

That's just how fighting games are and always have been. Nothing is broken.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Yeish:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

^ this 100%

Because it is zero fun and near zero usefulness to get bodied at a near zero win rate when better ranking methods than whatever this low rank pile of garbage is, exists.

either way in 2 years you would have smurfs . people need to get used to the aggressive player and get better at defense reads and offense. and thats what Yellow ranks is doing.

Ranked is ranked not casual.

Practice in casual/quickplay, then go on ranked when you feel you got this.