TEKKEN 8

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BaAee Jan 1, 2024 @ 12:27pm
optimization is bad
every first round of every math is in slow motion.....i guess its shader compilation during matches........nice......
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Kulagin Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:39am 
Originally posted by Bgar:
How about you stop playing on a trash PC? Otherwise just become a console pleb. Tekken 8 is veey well optimized. Playing on a PC from 2017 at ultra 60fps no drops.
This is a dumb argument. When developers write bad code(which they do in the case of Tekken and almost all other games), it's not a good argument for players to buy better PC.

When developers write bad code, it's just that: they do a poor job at their job and it's their fault. In performance-critical type of applications, where performance is actually critical, like brain scanning(MRI applications) and video games, the default and a good practice is that you write well-performing code by default. Not optimally good, because that kills readability and takes a lot of time to write, but very well-performing, which is 95% compared to optimally good. What we have nowadays in video games is lots of crappy code written by people with the mindset "User's PC will tank this. We'll just tell them to buy a better PC lmao".
Kulagin Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:48am 
Originally posted by ParaDox:
People who usually whine about T8 performance being crap usually have an i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU thinking that having a low-mid-range GPU is enough.
What? No. Nobody's thinking that. That's exactly the problem and the complaint: that i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU and low-mid-range GPU is not enough. Hello?
The complaint is that it should be enough and it isn't. Capiche? Why should it be enough? Because it's possible and easily achievable: you write better code and have better design and make your game run on pretty much any PC, console and even make it run on portable devices like Steam Deck and PS Vita. It's very possible to do and achievable even with mods without access to the source code. It's just it shouldn't be on players to do it, it is on the devs. And if they don't optimize their code well, it means they did a poor job.

Originally posted by ParaDox:
Upgrade your PC or get a console.
Nah, there's no need. There's a mod to play this not well optimized game on a much weaker hardware:
https://i.imgur.com/s7viyRI.png
Last edited by Kulagin; Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:50am
Originally posted by NinthPixel:
43 FPS at best, even on the lowest settings.
Ryzen 5 7600X
RX 6600 XT
96GB RAM
Ryzen 5 3600, 32gb RAM, 6600XT - Ultra 1080p with TSR 100% - 60 fps. Check your pc
Kulagin Jan 19, 2024 @ 2:03am 
Originally posted by RossPierrDoll:
optimization is very good. We had Tekken 8 working quite well in 4k dlss quality all settings on high, or 4k dlss performance with everything maxed out no problem 60fps, no frame drops, nothing- and that is on the trash that 3070 is.
Optimization isn't good. Just because it runs on your system, it doesn't mean that optimization isn't good. Also 3070 is not trash, it's a $500 GPU, it's one of the top end video cards on the market. If you take all video cards made in the last 10 years, it would be top 0.1%. Saying that it's trash is just delusional and factually wrong. Like, yeah, it's not the best of the best, but it's easily one of the best if you actually take all computers that are used to play video games in 2024.

Also, you shouldn't talk about how well optimization is if you hadn't looked at how the game actually works and you don't actually understand what you're talking about(you'd need to be a programmer to know).

The FPS(and performance, lowering the requirements by 2 times) can be doubled in this game if it was well-optimized. Here's just a few things that could be done to double it: all the blueprint code ported to C++, better event-driven system instead of poll-based system that they're using now, better animation system: don't transform animations from their custom system to UE system in blueprints on every tick and instead do it during compilation. These 3 things would double the FPS in this game and lower the requirements for hardware to run it at 60 FPS by 2 times. But there are more things that can be done like allowing players to switch from deferred to forward renderer that has a simplified rendering pipeline, which further lowers the requirements for hardware.

If I can triple the FPS without access to the source code myself, the game isn't well-optimized. Oh wait, I did triple the FPS without access the source code.

The reason people say it's well-optimized is because you have no idea what you're talking about and the industry made you used to crappy products that barely run and require $2000 PCs to barely run at 60 FPS, and so you think that it's OK, because you never seen anything better and you don't really know the subject.

Originally posted by RossPierrDoll:
Do not worry about performance, or if you have some issues, make sure that your system is configured correctly and you do not have bloatware running in the background

oooo, you should hella worry about performance. If you can't run this game at perfect 60 FPS, or if the other person can't, you'll experience desync online very quickly, because if the other person runs it at 60 FPS and your FPS is 57-58, you'll quickly desync, because the game runs slower at lower FPS, and so they'll advance in time quicker than you. In a few seconds the game will see that it desynced too much, stop and try to sync time again.
This will happen every few seconds: the game will pause and sync.
Last edited by Kulagin; Jan 19, 2024 @ 2:06am
RossPierrDoll Jan 19, 2024 @ 2:17am 
hey, mister programmer- this game runs stable 60fps on a steam deck.
this game runs at gtx10 series cards- 1070 can have ultra preset, 1080p, stable 60fps. And we're talking midrange gpu from almost 8 years back.
Hell, it runs 60fps on my old gtx970, which is ANCIENT hardware at this point.

This game IS well optimized. It is holding stable 60fps on 10yo hardware...I trully have no clue how ppl manage to get bad performance, other than trying to play on higher preset than is reasonable for the hardware/software combo. Some ppl expect a new game to run at ultra on 10yo hardware, and cranked to 4k, beacause 4k is trendy now...
Kulagin Jan 19, 2024 @ 3:51am 
Originally posted by RossPierrDoll:
hey, mister programmer- this game runs stable 60fps on a steam deck.
this game runs at gtx10 series cards- 1070 can have ultra preset, 1080p, stable 60fps. And we're talking midrange gpu from almost 8 years back.
Hell, it runs 60fps on my old gtx970, which is ANCIENT hardware at this point.

This game IS well optimized. It is holding stable 60fps on 10yo hardware...I trully have no clue how ppl manage to get bad performance, other than trying to play on higher preset than is reasonable for the hardware/software combo. Some ppl expect a new game to run at ultra on 10yo hardware, and cranked to 4k, beacause 4k is trendy now...
You don't understand what optimization is. You've never done any optimizations and you've never seen it done. You also seem to not understand what word optimal means. So stop talking about it. Just because it runs on Steam Deck and your GTX970 it doesn't mean anything. Yes, it runs on steam deck and GTX 970: there are 2 mesh actors moving in the world lmao. When there are just 2 mesh actors moving around(and nothing else happens), it should be running on 2005 hardware at 60 FPS. Which is absolutely doable.
Also, it's not about if it runs on X hardware, it's about how much better you can make it. I already explained: you can triple the performance with optimizations without sacrificing graphics by actually doing optimizations in code.
Then you can improve it from there further by removing objects and unnecessary running code: make the game simpler looking on a simplified renderer. This would result in around 500% performance improvement compared to what we have now. Now, that would be a well-optimized game, because further improvement would be hard to make, long to make and would result in diminishing returns.
When you can optimize the performance by up to 500%, it's objectively not well optimized. There is no arguing that, unless you don't understand what optimization and optimal means, which you don't it seems.
Surez Feb 2, 2024 @ 11:32pm 
yes , No optimization was done for this game. Tekken 7 is way more better, I played T7 in 2460*1440 resolution with ultra settings with my GTX 1070 card.. This is so bad..
Highway Feb 3, 2024 @ 7:00am 
another Unreal Engine game with stutter, bad performance, and crashes.... it's almost like UE5 is the problem here, every game on it seems to be bad.
Petite Prince Feb 3, 2024 @ 9:35am 
ryzen2600, 32gb ram, 5700xt It holds those 60 fps on Ultra at 1080p without even breaking a sweat, but that only thanks to https://steamcommunity.com/app/1778820/discussions/0/4030223299344075345/?ctp=5
Before that game looked like blurry crap with dips up to 20+.
Im still have a pain in the ass about forced upscalers and lack of native resolution. This is unfortunately starting to become a common pathology of modern games.
Matex Feb 3, 2024 @ 9:40am 
It's probably UE5, unreal is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ no matter what.

You should consider letting intros play out if you have issues at start of match. Make sure your FPS is stable afterwards.

There is also the tekkenoverlay which provides additional graphic settings that might help you out, alternatively consider profile settings from nvidia if you use that.
Shaun C Feb 3, 2024 @ 9:49am 
Reinstall Nvidias newest update is what I had to do to fix it.
Last edited by Shaun C; Feb 3, 2024 @ 9:49am
Tixije Feb 3, 2024 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by ParaDox:
People who usually whine about T8 performance being crap usually have an i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU thinking that having a low-mid-range GPU is enough.

I've tested the demo with a Ryzen 2400G and an i3 12th gen and it reaches 60fps without issues at 1080p. Upgrade your PC or get a console.

I have RTX 4090, 32GB of RAM, i7-13700KF and I have FPS drops to 57 or sometimes it locks itself to 53 which is unplayable online... All of my other games runs fine.

Is this a decade old CPU/GPU for you... ?
Highway Feb 3, 2024 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Special Kazama:
Originally posted by ParaDox:
People who usually whine about T8 performance being crap usually have an i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU thinking that having a low-mid-range GPU is enough.

I've tested the demo with a Ryzen 2400G and an i3 12th gen and it reaches 60fps without issues at 1080p. Upgrade your PC or get a console.

I have RTX 4090, 32GB of RAM, i7-13700KF and I have FPS drops to 57 or sometimes it locks itself to 53 which is unplayable online... All of my other games runs fine.

Is this a decade old CPU/GPU for you... ?
odd mines running 140+fps on my 4090 with a 12900k and 64gb in 3440x1440p.
ThePaslimakasTr Feb 3, 2024 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by Kulagin:
Originally posted by ParaDox:
People who usually whine about T8 performance being crap usually have an i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU thinking that having a low-mid-range GPU is enough.
What? No. Nobody's thinking that. That's exactly the problem and the complaint: that i5 from 2014 or some other decade old CPU and low-mid-range GPU is not enough. Hello?
The complaint is that it should be enough and it isn't. Capiche? Why should it be enough? Because it's possible and easily achievable: you write better code and have better design and make your game run on pretty much any PC, console and even make it run on portable devices like Steam Deck and PS Vita. It's very possible to do and achievable even with mods without access to the source code. It's just it shouldn't be on players to do it, it is on the devs. And if they don't optimize their code well, it means they did a poor job.

Originally posted by ParaDox:
Upgrade your PC or get a console.
Nah, there's no need. There's a mod to play this not well optimized game on a much weaker hardware:
https://i.imgur.com/s7viyRI.png

how to install overlay please help :( it says process ıd not found
Lokran Feb 3, 2024 @ 2:49pm 
Optimization IS indeed horrendous. Slow motion EVERY SINGLE MATCHES. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Some maps are worse at that, Arena maps and the Seine map. This is unbearable.
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Date Posted: Jan 1, 2024 @ 12:27pm
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