Is the Tekken girls ratio improving?

[ingosupercute]

So I did a bit of counting. And I counted with my fingers on screen, so there is a chance of being one or two off - sorry in advance. But I counted for the T7 complete cast 51 characters in total, with 16 being female (17 if we count Panda but I'm not a furry). Which means part 7 had 17 females and 34 males. I can't maths, so I will leave calculating the ratio to one of you guys.

T8 on launch will have 32 characters, of which 9 are female (10 because we gotta count Panda). So 10 to 22 already. This seems like a greatly improved ratio. And that's with Raven suddenly gender swapping - I don't even want to know how and why.

So what you guys think? Will we be getting more Tekken girls to play with in general, or did they just pack more of them into the initial roster? I feel like DLC packs will sell worse if there are no female pixles included, so I'm pretty hopeful.

[天佑中共🐥the light]

its ok that ratio is pretty healthy. I also ady have 25+ waifus in DOAXVV so yeah

[AGA | prinnyuber]

You casanova, Don Juan, and you prince of thieves you! Love does bloom on the fighting arena! How else would you explain the things you did? XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs3h-pXhipA

[PrincessDemi]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Smurf:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PrincessDemi:

Or maybe girls wanna have more options? (They can obvi play the males but some dont like that?) And its not a bad thing to want something like that women need to be put more in games

It took me forever to understand that some people are wired to playing only as characters who are the same gender as them in fighting games despite it being a work of fiction. I would talk to a guy and he'd look so strange in a circle of people for making fun of a guy who happened to pick a character that is a woman. And played well enough to beat most people with that character. It's still so jarring to me today, but I understand its simply just how a minority of people are programmed. It's in that respect that I totally get your comment. More women in fighting games shouldn't be a bad thing.

And that's where we come to the fact that we have fighting games now that exclusively contain women and not men. Not just that, but most anime fighters tend to have more women than men or at least a much bigger ratio than other fighting games. And then there's Dead or Alive which focuses on the women more than the men.

When you say women need to be put more in games, that actually makes it sound like women are never put in them. Again, I understand what you're actually trying to say, but when I read it a second time it made it seem like the current landscape for games is to not include them. At the same time, the creative direction is mostly up to the developer and producer. They have people who're paid to step in and say things like, "whoa there's only x amount of women in here," or, "what amount representation for this?" anyway in case something seems truly wrong.

Just beacause dead or alive had focused on women doesnt change the fact that the majority of games are with male protagonists! Which I understand why that was happening but i do want more women in games now! Anime games do have more female casts cause of the sexualisation which I don’t like at all! Last but not least many men like playing with women as well so its not like women aren’t selling enough

[Whaleteeth]

insanely cringe conversation

[ingosupercute]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Smurf:

And that's where we come to the fact that we have fighting games now that exclusively contain women and not men. Not just that, but most anime fighters tend to have more women than men or at least a much bigger ratio than other fighting games. And then there's Dead or Alive which focuses on the women more than the men.

I mean, you are not wrong there. It's a fact that there are games that either have a significantly larger female ratio (DoA) or only females (SNK heroines, Skullgirls). And it is also a fact that the male only games have been cut down over time. In the 90s you would only find steroid abuser male characters in them pixelated beat em ups.

In the 2000s wrestling games barely contained any females, only in recent years the 2k series started shifting towards including the women's division and we have to thank female wrestlers for suffering throught the "Divas" title times to get equally treated in main events etc. This translated into video games I think.


But since DoA is my main fighting game series I can tell you two things:
Number one the males they got are really awesome dudes. I feel like despite being not the main selling factor over their pixle booba counterparts, Team Ninja still delivers very good males, be it real classics like the overprotective and over the top showoff wrestling father Brass, who also works on an oil rig. Or the foreign legion soldier Leon who can't stop thinking about his deceased wife. And even in the last part (that was not that great in general) they managed to scramble together Diego who is just such a good visual concept I have no words.

And number two DoA is in really rough waters and has been there for years. The last installment sucked and failed miserably due to a lack of quality control and after release updates. It was just a graphics upgrade and otherwise abandonware. Then the team set out to forget about DoA 6 and make part 7 instead. And in the wake of metoo and internet social movements got a lot of friendly fire by the big tech companies, that are needed to get the game on their consoles. Thus the game was cancelled after some lead guy left in frustration. And after a long break Koei suddenly decided to start developping from scratch again - since then total radio silence. I don't expect this to end with another DoA as we are used to playing. Just an estimation, but whenever Koei has been trying to reboot their Dynasty Warriors Series (different in house team, but doesn't matter) the result was some sort of mess no one wanted to have.

[Castyles]

There are more men in fighting games because everything fighting was born from men.

Women, in general, have no real interest in such activists, by themselves. It's usually because of another man (usually the father), because of tradition and or core family values or because they saw a badass female on the media and decided to follow in their footsteps because they thought it was cool.

Face the facts. It's everything but the "joy" of battle or knowledge of the arts. Guaranteed.

Inb4mUhSeXiSmMuCh???11

[Deredere]

more women is good, but I prefer dev make more accuracy martial art choreography, and Dead or Alive make it better Tekken

[Star Rain]

They all have the same body, boring!

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Star Rain:

They all have the same body, boring!

if that's what you think.. kid

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Castyles:

There are more men in fighting games because everything fighting was born from men.

Women, in general, have no real interest in such activists, by themselves. It's usually because of another man (usually the father), because of tradition and or core family values or because they saw a badass female on the media and decided to follow in their footsteps because they thought it was cool.

Face the facts. It's everything but the "joy" of battle or knowledge of the arts. Guaranteed.

Inb4mUhSeXiSmMuCh???11

no its cause the historical tribes that supported women fighters and patriarchy died out because of war politics.

there were plenty of various groups that were equal rights, some were even equal to even their slaves where work was treated with reward.

Not all places were ruled under predominant men.

They were just crushed by larger armies that used classes of people as livestock and breeding usually emperors tyrants and empowered agencies of various faiths usually random guesses.

More or less a combination of overpopulation and aggressive tactics; and the occasional chicken sacrifice pointing on a map when asking whimsy of the sages and mystics.

[ingosupercute]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deredere:

and Dead or Alive make it better Tekken

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here. Do you mean DoA should make things better and become more like Tekken?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Star Rain:

They all have the same body, boring!

They do? I haven't seen enough footage of T8 yet to form an opinion. There was only one playable female in the demo.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ingosupercute:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deredere:

and Dead or Alive make it better Tekken

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here. Do you mean DoA should make things better and become more like Tekken?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Star Rain:

They all have the same body, boring!

They do? I haven't seen enough footage of T8 yet to form an opinion. There was only one playable female in the demo.

Im pretty sure they dont seeing as their hands and feet are shaped different as well as their faces and hair styles. Unlike T7 where it was pretty obvious.

[Neon Triangle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Star Rain:

They all have the same body, boring!

That was mostly true in Tekken 7 (I think Lydia was an exception) but the same was also true of most of the men having the same one body shape. It was an issue of budget, especially since they switched to UE4 to make that game so corners had to be cut. And even despite that fact the character designs carried the artstyle, so even though they had the same body they never felt the same, which shows they actually worked on making the most of their limitations.

Of course T8 has a bigger budget so they can actually do more nowadays, but in the end who cares? As long as they don't literally look and feel exactly the same they technically succeeded. But most of this talk is related to game design and working within time/money limits, something most people either can't or won't care about, but it least helps to know how things can end up when it's not all up to the people actually making the game itself.

[Grandmother CFO]

Men pay for drinks, men open the car door for the lady, men work overtime, men pay for gas, men pay for cinema and dinner, men pay for the ring, men are hurt, men fight for woman and now men can't have more "men" in a game??

There are already enough girls and men lol

[ingosupercute]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Grandmother CFO:

Men pay for drinks, men open the car door for the lady, men work overtime, men pay for gas, men pay for cinema and dinner, men pay for the ring, men are hurt, men fight for woman and now men can't have more "men" in a game??

Please don't turn this topic into some sort of cultural discussion. It's only about wanting more female character models. Both the woke people and the anti woke people (such as yourself) can stay as far away from me as possible.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Neon Triangle:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Star Rain:

They all have the same body, boring!

That was mostly true in Tekken 7 (I think Lydia was an exception) but the same was also true of most of the men having the same one body shape.

Oh damn, I never actually noticed that. I guess the outfits do a good job at hiding it.