Some question about the censorship

[glorfindel1975]

Thanks in advance for the answers.

I wanted to know if the cut content is a significant portion of the game in terms of quantity: how much has been removed?

From what I understand it is fundamental in terms of plot, but I must admit that often the ♥♥♥♥ content of these games is unnecessarily long and verbose. Is this the case?

Another question: on the VN Database site there is a link of a TBA uncensor patch.
Is it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or just a hypothesis?

[ルナ]

From what I've heard, the H-scenes in this title are more important than usual. People say that all the time though, so you'll probably need to ask more people.
H-scenes aren't the only cut scenes either. The "Dog" and "Slave" endings were removed. Hotaru's route is too, but crowdfunding backers can read it in JP. I don't know how important these three endings/routes are.
Some parts of the script are also censored.
The uncensored patch is by an amateur âge translation group. Unfortunately, it'll only fix some parts of the script, and not restore H-scenes.
Hoping for someone to restore the missing scenes from the Steam version. Even if that happens, we'll still have to wait a long time.

[glorfindel1975]

If so then it is not worth buying at this time.

Thanks

[Sayn]

I wouldn't say Amateur since this is like the Nth game that's been worked on tbh. Unpaid, sure.

As far as the H goes, idk I've never really found the H itself AS important as most people because the scenes in the game themselves it's not like they ignore the fact that you have ♥♥♥ in the game. You pretty much get all the characterization needed imo.

[ルナ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sayn:

I wouldn't say Amateur since this is like the Nth game that's been worked on tbh. Unpaid, sure.

As far as the H goes, idk I've never really found the H itself AS important as most people because the scenes in the game themselves it's not like they ignore the fact that you have ♥♥♥ in the game. You pretty much get all the characterization needed imo.

Thank you, guess I'll read it soon. Also yeah, by "amateur" I just meant unpaid. That's what you see on VNDB anyway.

[Flapples]

its pretty bad

[MAKAIT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh glorfindel1975:

If so then it is not worth buying at this time.

Thanks

I don't think it's worth buying anytime. Paying costumers shouldn't rely on mods to uncensor their games. If you have to go out of your way to look for a patch, you may as well pirate it since you're already putting the effort.

No matter how insignificant the change, censorship breeds more censorship.

[Sky]

From what I've read from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ site, this is a carbon copy of the PS2 version in terms of context (Which had multiple scenes cut from the original version), with the exception that we are also getting an entire ending cut (Which will still be in the Japanese version of the release, but not in ours) due to loliphobic international laws.

[MAKAIT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sky:

From what I've read from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ site, this is a carbon copy of the PS2 version in terms of context (Which had multiple scenes cut from the original version), with the exception that we are also getting an entire ending cut (Which will still be in the Japanese version of the release, but not in ours) due to loliphobic international laws.

We're talking about PC. You can't compare PC with console games since all console platforms ban any nudity, for example.
At least, they could've added an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ patch, which is impossible with console.

[MAKAIT]

They could've based their "remaster" on the uncensored version, then cut the H content on consoles. Or they could've added it from scratch since it's a small percentage of the whole game.

Honestly, I don't care about the technicalities, it's not my problem.
Costumers should concern themselves with the end-product and not the process. If it's censored then it's bad, no matter the technical difficulties.

And no, it's not about engines. The devs talked about the cut content and said that they did it to conform to twitter police and not cause controversy. I guess they were right with the latter because no one cares or plays the game to cause "controversy".

[Palmer Eldritch]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MAKAIT:

They could've based their "remaster" on the uncensored version, then cut the H content on consoles. Or they could've added it from scratch since it's a small percentage of the whole game.

Honestly, I don't care about the technicalities, it's not my problem.
Costumers should concern themselves with the end-product and not the process. If it's censored then it's bad, no matter the technical difficulties.

And no, it's not about engines. The devs talked about the cut content and said that they did it to conform to twitter police and not cause controversy. I guess they were right with the latter because no one cares or plays the game to cause "controversy".

You're way too hyperbole here lol
You made this sound like a conspiracy.

Like many other former 18+ VN studios, AnCHOR want to distance themselves from the naughty stuff. In my opinion, this don't hurt Type-Moon games or Muv-Luv Alternative. But it highly affects games like the original Muv-Luv and Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien, at least in my opinion. When AnCHOR got the Muv-Luv license back from Sekai Project, they made sure not to officially give out the 18+ Patches anymore (of course, what's in the Internet stays in the Internet).

I don't have a problem if modders will handle this release here.

Most PC Re-Releases of such old titles are often baed on the console versions by the way because they have certain benefits over the old PC-Versions. Of course it would most likely be easy for the developer to create a port with the best of both worlds.

What's unfortunate is that Valve even had problems with this All-Ages version here. Saying a lot about the mindset of our society when it comes to Anime-Games.

[MAKAIT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Palmer Eldritch:

Diposting pertama kali oleh MAKAIT:

They could've based their "remaster" on the uncensored version, then cut the H content on consoles. Or they could've added it from scratch since it's a small percentage of the whole game.

Honestly, I don't care about the technicalities, it's not my problem.
Costumers should concern themselves with the end-product and not the process. If it's censored then it's bad, no matter the technical difficulties.

And no, it's not about engines. The devs talked about the cut content and said that they did it to conform to twitter police and not cause controversy. I guess they were right with the latter because no one cares or plays the game to cause "controversy".

You're way too hyperbole here lol
You made this sound like a conspiracy.

Like many other former 18+ VN studios, AnCHOR want to distance themselves from the naughty stuff. In my opinion, this don't hurt Type-Moon games or Muv-Luv Alternative. But it highly affects games like the original Muv-Luv and Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien, at least in my opinion. When AnCHOR got the Muv-Luv license back from Sekai Project, they made sure not to officially give out the 18+ Patches anymore (of course, what's in the Internet stays in the Internet).

I don't have a problem if modders will handle this release here.

Most PC Re-Releases of such old titles are often baed on the console versions by the way because they have certain benefits over the old PC-Versions. Of course it would most likely be easy for the developer to create a port with the best of both worlds.

What's unfortunate is that Valve even had problems with this All-Ages version here. Saying a lot about the mindset of our society when it comes to Anime-Games.

How can it be a conspiracy when we both agree on the fact that the studio's distancing itself from 18+ material? As you mentioned, censorship has affected multiple titles so strongly that they've removed entire routes and scenes—leaving long-term fans feeling betrayed and alienated.

This kind of anti-customer approach, especially removing patches that paying customers rely on, warrants a response. Fans should reciprocate this distancing and make it clear that their support depends on respect.

Your own words highlight the real issue: this censorship is a self-inflicted blow to their audience. Other developers, like Sekai Project, show it's possible to maintain creative integrity with adult content, even on platforms like Steam when you rely on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ patches.

I stand my ground on technicalities. Costumers shouldn't give a damn about them. It's the developer's job to figure this out. And if the old version is more complete and authentic readers should, and would, stick to it.

So yeah, I don't see the hyperbole. To be honest I'm done with this company and it might as well collapse tomorrow, I already have the classics. Fans have been voicing their concerns only to be a waste of breath.

[Palmer Eldritch]

I think we both have a different approach on this matter. For me, this isn't even real censorship since the PS2 version is a version on it's own with different scenes. That's different to other adult VN'S where they simply cut out the scenes with no additional material produced.

That does not mean that I do not understand the complaints. For me, it's just a little too drastic. These bis VN studios aren't producing such stuff for many years now. The audience you mention isn't their main target anymore. Back then they grabbed the money from Otakus in Japan who are into ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stuff. But their audience nowadays is much broader and certainly you can extract much more money from people who just want to enjoy a good story.

I would love to see AnCHOR making a move here and releasing an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 18+ Patch, especially since this was a passion project for the fans via Kickstarter. But I don't see them doing this.

[MAKAIT]

One look at their depressing and corporate website and you'll know there's no saving this company.

https://ancr.jp/en/

Add to that the irony of their mission statement, with them stating:
"...The market place is in a constant state of flux. In particular, individuals are making larger impacts than ever before. Unbound by the restrictions of working for a company , talented people and small businesses are free to be flexible in their thinking and how they express themselves. We believe this newfound freedom adds unprecedented value ..."

Nothing screams "freedom" more than being a slave to Steam's arbitrary regulations, and ordering your artists to further censor your game even after the mature content being cut. Without even a patch to restore it. Complete hypocrisy and disrespect since this was a "passion project for the fans via Kickstarter".

I don't know what do you like so much about VNs but for me it's the immersion in an authentic story. The fact that the artists have released their vision unaltered. Even when I saw that there's a PS2 version, I was curious to play it and see how they adopted it for consoles. The base game was already available on PC for the people looking for the original story, and the PS2 version was an alternative . You can think of it as a reverse patch.

But here it's no longer the case. Because there is no other way for playing the original, not even with patches.

I'm so sensitive about censorship to the point where I boycotted Resident Evil 4 remake and all future Capcom games, despite the OG game and the studio being one of my all time favorites, when I learned about the leaked internal memo and the changes to female costumes and dialogue. Capcom is policing, with no exaggeration, every pixel of every female character, every interaction between a man and a woman, every dialogue between different ethnicities, every promotional art... To the point where it's prohibited to show that men are stronger than women, have a non-white portrayed negatively, or even saying Merry Christmas.

I would rather deal with outdated gameplay, poor visuals and broken translations on emulation.

I respect your opinion if you consider these minor changes.

[Wertville]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MAKAIT:

One look at their depressing and corporate website and you'll know there's no saving this company.

https://ancr.jp/en/

Ugh, looking at the news history, they got acquired by Avex on the 10th of July, 2017. Just a month after the steam release of Muv Luv Alternative, and half a year before they screwed over Degica (the moment their contract was up for renewal, and well before they could complete the rest of the kickstarter.) It was also just 18 days before Schwarzesmarken released, if you're wondering why they have made literally nothing since then.

These kind of deals take years, so no doubt they wasted no time in trying to find a buyer the moment the crowdfunding broke records. It's also probably why they're trying so hard to kickstart again, Avex just doesn't believe in them and they're trying repeat what sparked interest in the first place.

I just think the whole thing is so gross. age should just drop Muv Luv and their other franchises and try something new (Which was true back in, like, 2014). Maybe they can buy back aNCHOR once Avex has dropped the brand value to 0.

[MAKAIT]

Ugh, looking at the news history, they got acquired by Avex on the 10th of July, 2017. Just a month after the steam release of Muv Luv Alternative, and half a year before they screwed over Degica (the moment their contract was up for renewal, and well before they could complete the rest of the kickstarter.) It was also just 18 days before Schwarzesmarken released, if you're wondering why they have made literally nothing since then.

These kind of deals take years, so no doubt they wasted no time in trying to find a buyer the moment the crowdfunding broke records. It's also probably why they're trying so hard to kickstart again, Avex just doesn't believe in them and they're trying repeat what sparked interest in the first place.

I just think the whole thing is so gross. age should just drop Muv Luv and their other franchises and try something new (Which was true back in, like, 2014). Maybe they can buy back aNCHOR once Avex has dropped the brand value to 0. [/quote]

The whole thing is confusing with multiple buyouts and rebrandings, especially for someone like me who has little interest and knowledge about corporate structures.

Why would any company look for a buyer and betray its kickstarters with censorship? Why is âge being so passive with the creation of new titles? and why is avex sitting on a big IP like muv-luv? Look at fate series for comparison, I don't care about their new games, but at least they're doing something.
At least, the sales are abysmal on steam.