Shattered Pixel Dungeon

Shattered Pixel Dungeon

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11 iul. 2022 la 23:55
Some Questions&Advice
1.Will you open the creative workshop in the future?I think that will make the whole game more interesting and more players will join in.
2.I am most concerned about this problem.In the score calculation at the end of the game, how are the exploration and boss columns calculated? Especially the exploration points. I looked at my customs clearance records, and most of them were only 4,5k, but I saw that there was a score of 19000 in the picture of your v1.3 version. How did this happen? I hope you can tell me more details.
3.About the Daily Challenge,I think we should unify not only the seeds, but also the types and numbers of characters and challenges, so as to have a better comparison (of course, the types of challenges are up to you). Another is the display of the ranking list. Of course, I saw in the announcement that you said you would join it in the future, which is really important. It can arouse the players' desire to play, after all, they can't get badges and achievements from it.
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00-Evan  [dezvoltator] 12 iul. 2022 la 6:59 
1. Unfortunately the game isn't built with workshop-style modding in mind. Implementing this would require making major internal code changes to the game that would take a huge amount of time.
2. The exploration score is based on your max depth reached and the number of floors you've fully cleared. On a successful run (max depth of 26), each fully cleared regular floor is worth 1000 points, and there are 20 regular floors in total. A floor is fully cleared if you find every item, open every door/container, find every secret door, and solve every room with a challenge/puzzle in it.
3. I decided to let players pick their own hero for this because getting a good score shouldn't really be dependent on hero class. If I ever add online leaderboards I will probably standardize what classes/challenges the players get though.
12 iul. 2022 la 9:11 
I'm sorry to hear about the creative workshop. Regarding the leaderboard, I just made a suggestion.
But I still have doubts about the calculation of the exploration score. According to your statement, there are 20 regular floors, each of which corresponds to 1k points, with a total score of 20,000. Although I don't deliberately look for some hidden rooms during general play, this leads me to miss many and lose some points. However, when playing, I usually explore the whole picture on each floor and pick up everything (the visible part). Even, on the 21st-24th floor, I usually use the exploration scroll to open the full picture, which I think is enough for me to get the 4k score. But my exploration score at the end of the tour is always only 4,5k, which means that my previous floor hardly got any score. This makes me feel very strange. I don't think there are hidden rooms on every floor. In my discussion group, there are a lot of amazing people who have passed the 9 challenge. I have seen their screenshots, but most of them have only 6,7 K scores for exploration, and they don't know how to calculate the scores. So what is the real "fully cleared"?
You said "find every item, open every door/container, find every secret door, and solve every room with a challenge/puzzle in it" as fully cleared. Here I still have a few questions. 1. Some rooms on some floors will have 1-out-of-2 doors or boxes, but I can only open 1 (except the treasure chest monster). Is this my completion? 2. Many times I don't have enough space backpack, so I will leave some cheap things on the ground and leave. Will this affect me? 3. Do you need to identify the things you take? 4. Will the things in the shops on the store floor affect it?
Thank you for reading and answering my questions.
00-Evan  [dezvoltator] 12 iul. 2022 la 10:38 
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You said "find every item, open every door/container, find every secret door, and solve every room with a challenge/puzzle in it" as fully cleared. Here I still have a few questions. 1. Some rooms on some floors will have 1-out-of-2 doors or boxes, but I can only open 1 (except the treasure chest monster). Is this my completion? 2. Many times I don't have enough space backpack, so I will leave some cheap things on the ground and leave. Will this affect me? 3. Do you need to identify the things you take? 4. Will the things in the shops on the store floor affect it?
Thank you for reading and answering my questions.

The game doesn't penalize you for skipping containers you cannot ever open, such as the second crystal chest. Items left on the ground is fine, you just need to have seen the item for it to count. You don't need to ID anything. Shop items need to be seen but don't need to be bought.

A score of 4.5k shouldn't be possible unless you die earlier than floor 25. Explored floors are only worth 1k each if you reach all of them. The full calculation is (regular floors reached)x(regular floors explored)x50. There are 20 regular floors total, as I mentioned before.
13 iul. 2022 la 1:17 
Oh, what I said before meant 4k or 5k, not 4.5k
After listening to your words, I went to do the verification. At the beginning, everything was as you said. When I emptied the first floor as much as possible and committed suicide on the second floor, I got a score of 100. I thought it was the result of my failure, so I only got a score of 1/10. But after many attempts, I found something wrong. In one attempt, I cleared the first floor, and jumped directly into the abyss on the second floor and fell to the third floor, but I found that I got 150 exploration points, which puzzled me, and this happened more than once. In my last attempt, it was even different from what you said. I cleared one or two floors. Normally, I should get 2k exploration points, but I wanted to commit suicide on the third floor, so I should only get 200 exploration points. But on the second floor, I finished the ghost mission, and finally when I committed suicide on the third floor, I got 400 points. This makes me realize that the exploration score may not increase linearly by 1000 points per layer as you said. But there are many factors together. The empty score of each floor may only be about 100-150 points. This also explains why I always empty the whole picture, but I always only have 4k or 5k exploration scores. But this makes me even more confused. How can I get a higher exploration score? Usually, I do collect props in dungeons as much as possible, at least I won't miss too much.
00-Evan  [dezvoltator] 13 iul. 2022 la 14:20 
All of those cases sound correct to me based on the algorithm I gave above. The exploration score is regular floors visited times regular floors cleared times 50. In order you did:

Saw 2 floors, cleared 1: 2x1x50 = 100
Saw 3 floors, cleared 1: 3x1x50 = 150
Saw 4 floors, cleared 2: 2x4x50 = 400

The 1k points per cleared floor is only if you see all 20 regular floors.
13 iul. 2022 la 16:44 
I probably understand the calculation principle of the exploration score. According to your answer, all doors need to be found. I think I probably guessed the reason why my exploration score was low. Many times, there will be adjacent rooms in the dungeon, but the door between them will be hidden and difficult to find. I should have missed these doors instead of finding the hidden room.Thanks for your answer.
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