Sailwind

Sailwind

frustrating winds
no matter what direction i turned or tacked and even just trying to put the wind at my back that was not the direction i wanted to travel the wind would instantly shift and be in my face. i was sailing in circles trying to catch the wind in any direction and no matter what it would shift and blow in my face. i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time. anybocy else have something like this happen? because it has made a direction to an island that i have sailed a hundred times to i can't even get halfway there now.
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Originally posted by moyer4487:
no matter what direction i turned or tacked and even just trying to put the wind at my back that was not the direction i wanted to travel the wind would instantly shift and be in my face. i was sailing in circles trying to catch the wind in any direction and no matter what it would shift and blow in my face. i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time. anybocy else have something like this happen? because it has made a direction to an island that i have sailed a hundred times to i can't even get halfway there now.
I have 580 hours in this game,I only play with mods(wind and waves).without mods this game is only for masochists.
now i play the one which is excellent(Sail the Seas),same era with incredible graphics.
Last edited by gregoriskat; Jan 4 @ 11:23am
jamespfp Jan 4 @ 11:30am 
I also play with Mods but full disclosure while I've often thought about modding the weather model I've never actually gone through with it. Yes, it seems masochistic at times, but the "trick" I learned the hard way was to stop attempting to trim the sails every time the model rolls a change in the wind against me, or worse, "quickly tacking" thinking that the wind will be better on the other side. What ends up happening while tacking in variable wind is the direction gets "dragged" along with you, sometimes so much that in fact it won't be possible to tack, the wind won't even let you go into irons and stay on the same side of the boat for 60-90 degrees of turn. It would be better to hold course until the model shifts again because there is pretty much an even chance of whether it will get worse or improve.

And yeah, that's the thing, there's variable wind and there's steady wind. The Strength might be high for both, but steady is what's best for tacking turns.
Originally posted by moyer4487:
i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time.
i absolutely guarantee that it is you.

the trick to dealing with wind like this is to not react, as james mentioned above.

here's how the wind works: every so often RNG is rolled for a wind change. how often depends on the current region. if RNG triggers a wind change, there's RNG for which direction the wind will shift. there is always a 4:1 weight on shifting towards to local tradewind.

storms muck all this up and completely disrupt local wind patterns. about the only possible way to get the effect you describe is if a storm formed at just the perfect time and place to cause the wind to do a 180.

i know it feels like you're just wasting time if you get set into irons from a wind shift like this, but i've found it much better to just wait for the next wind shift than to try to fight the wind and set a new course. as a general rule. specific situations could necessitate fighting, like when you've been tailing a storm going against the local tradewind, and you get out of range of its effects.
jamespfp Jan 4 @ 12:40pm 
^^ "Perfectly Horrible" Storm Winds; I've experienced this in the Emerald Region, having one or more storms converging at around the same location as my boat, causing the winds to ignore all semblance of a prevailing direction until the storms had passed. I once had to heave to one storm which passed me going from South to North, and just as that storm passed a second one popped up over the horizon to the East, heading West-Southwest (pretty much on a direct course for Firefish). Lucky me, I thought. All I had to do was let loose the Jib and swing her westward.
kodes Jan 5 @ 8:22am 
Originally posted by jamespfp:
^^ "Perfectly Horrible" Storm Winds; I've experienced this in the Emerald Region, having one or more storms converging at around the same location as my boat, causing the winds to ignore all semblance of a prevailing direction until the storms had passed. I once had to heave to one storm which passed me going from South to North, and just as that storm passed a second one popped up over the horizon to the East, heading West-Southwest (pretty much on a direct course for Firefish). Lucky me, I thought. All I had to do was let loose the Jib and swing her westward.

My first time sailing to Happy, I left Dragon Cliffs, perfect weather, winds in my favour, who would have guessed, upon waking up, my boat is near capsizing in 20ft waves, winds coming directly from Happy, so I'm left sailing blind, in the wrong-ish direction so my sails catch wind. It was a series of storms that lasted almost a week in game, factor in the fear of running out of resources as at times the winds were too strong for my boat to fight, I had to anchor and pray. I was so panicked when it was over as of course, it being my first time I had no clue how to regain my spacial awareness. nor what bearing to spot the island. I continued sailing North and eventually got lucky, spotting the island after a few more days of sailing, of course I had my quadrant as a reference, but nothing else.

Now just imagine how absolutely horrible I felt realising Happy has no deliveries to offer me, so I'm sailing back empty handed. Though I did make some pretty tasty profits trading cargo anyway.
Jim Jan 5 @ 9:53am 
I suspect that what is happening to you is that you got stuck with a very weak wind.

It's worth keeping in mind that the game accounts for the effects of relativity. A lot of people call this apparent wind, but I don't like that name because it makes it sound like an optical illusion. It isn't an illusion. It's real. Velocity is relative.

If the wind relative to the world is blowing from the west, and you are travelling north (relative to the world). The wind relative to your boat will be from the northwest. If the wind strength is low and you're traveling at a good speed, it will have a stronger northern than western component, and you will feel like the wind is blowing against you (because it is, but only relative to your boat).

It might help to keep your sails reefed (rolled up most of the way), so that your speed stays low until you are confident in your chosen direction. Then you can open them up to take advantage of what wind you have. Then, just don't panic as the (relative) wind shifts more and more against you as your speed improves. It will limit your maximum speed, but you should keep moving. After all, there is still a component of the wind (from the world), which should keep pushing your sails (and boat).
Originally posted by moyer4487:
no matter what direction i turned or tacked and even just trying to put the wind at my back that was not the direction i wanted to travel the wind would instantly shift and be in my face. i was sailing in circles trying to catch the wind in any direction and no matter what it would shift and blow in my face. i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time. anybocy else have something like this happen? because it has made a direction to an island that i have sailed a hundred times to i can't even get halfway there now.

DITTO...It has become unplayable
:steamthumbsdown::steamthumbsdown:
kodes Jan 6 @ 4:16am 
Originally posted by BaldyMike:
Originally posted by moyer4487:
no matter what direction i turned or tacked and even just trying to put the wind at my back that was not the direction i wanted to travel the wind would instantly shift and be in my face. i was sailing in circles trying to catch the wind in any direction and no matter what it would shift and blow in my face. i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time. anybocy else have something like this happen? because it has made a direction to an island that i have sailed a hundred times to i can't even get halfway there now.

DITTO...It has become unplayable
:steamthumbsdown::steamthumbsdown:

I recommend you read the rest of this thread.. And if you don't feel like doing that, there's always easier games on the market.
Originally posted by kodes:
Originally posted by BaldyMike:

DITTO...It has become unplayable
:steamthumbsdown::steamthumbsdown:

I recommend you read the rest of this thread.. And if you don't feel like doing that, there's always easier games on the market.

It's not a matter of ease....It's a matter of bogus and unreal physics.
And don't be such a troll
Originally posted by kodes:
Originally posted by jamespfp:
^^ "Perfectly Horrible" Storm Winds; I've experienced this in the Emerald Region, having one or more storms converging at around the same location as my boat, causing the winds to ignore all semblance of a prevailing direction until the storms had passed. I once had to heave to one storm which passed me going from South to North, and just as that storm passed a second one popped up over the horizon to the East, heading West-Southwest (pretty much on a direct course for Firefish). Lucky me, I thought. All I had to do was let loose the Jib and swing her westward.

My first time sailing to Happy, I left Dragon Cliffs, perfect weather, winds in my favour, who would have guessed, upon waking up, my boat is near capsizing in 20ft waves, winds coming directly from Happy, so I'm left sailing blind, in the wrong-ish direction so my sails catch wind. It was a series of storms that lasted almost a week in game, factor in the fear of running out of resources as at times the winds were too strong for my boat to fight, I had to anchor and pray. I was so panicked when it was over as of course, it being my first time I had no clue how to regain my spacial awareness. nor what bearing to spot the island. I continued sailing North and eventually got lucky, spotting the island after a few more days of sailing, of course I had my quadrant as a reference, but nothing else.

Now just imagine how absolutely horrible I felt realising Happy has no deliveries to offer me, so I'm sailing back empty handed. Though I did make some pretty tasty profits trading cargo anyway.

What does this have ANYTHING to do with perpetual headwinds that follow your every move, no matter what direction you it stay with you.
Originally posted by BaldyMike:

What does this have ANYTHING to do with perpetual headwinds that follow your every move, no matter what direction you it stay with you.


And also you mentioned unreal physics. The shortest possible answer to you is that this isn't a high precision real-world simulation, and for all its questionable shortcuts in terms of "unreal" the biggest trick of perception it plays on the player is to make you think that you're moving in the world instead of the other way around. The winds partly follow you because you are how it is determining random things, like changes in wind. Don't like the winds following you? Stop Turning, stop touching the wheel, stop changing the sail trim. That will give you the slowest rates of change.

I fully recognise the frustration of it, and for the record IRL the winds can twist around you. The difference is that IRL it will usually take days for the winds to spin around 360 degrees, and depending on latitude it'll be clockwise or anticlockwise, and what you do to your rudder shouldn't impact the frequency all that much in terms of increasing the number of chances that an adverse change occurs.

I've posted elsewhere on this forum on this topic. I'd like to make another piece of advice which is going to sound even crazier, but you might find that it works for you, too. Sometimes the best way to make the wind improve on your chosen heading, which is to say, the way to make the angles improve for Reaching rather than Close-Hauling is to literally keep the sails trimmed for the point of no return on the foresail (either a Jib or Lateen), with the Clew (the Knot) inside of the gunnel on the downwind side and close to the Mast. In other words, tighten the Jib for the Min Speed / Max Upwind profile, Close-Haul it even more. If using a Jib, the Gaff will need to be almost all the way in, maybe only a couple of notches loose on the gaff sheet so that the Jib keeps the ship downwind enough to avoid going into irons. The Next Time the Wind shifts, it will either push you downwind (ie. pushing you Off Course) or it will improve for reaching, helping you proceed on course Faster. It is this simple. I find the tiniest turns into the Wind during this situation seems to encourage the Wind to comply with what the prevailing direction should be. The Sails should prevent you going into irons and when they don't you need more speed to avoid getting "trapped" by them, like an aircraft in a stall. The aircraft should drop it's nose, not keep trying to pitch up...
I've got over 1700 hours into this game, without mods. Although it can seem like the wind changes to always blow up your nose, it's not always like that. Much of the time I have favorable wind. But sometimes you're going to have to tack; that's what I like about it. It can't always be easy - this is about you against the elements. If sailing the ship in the game was like driving a car, it would be boring and unrealistic. I don't might getting in irons once in a while, I've always got an easy way out (always put a square sail on any ship, so you can put her in reverse and make a three-point turn).
mallardh Jan 18 @ 4:23pm 
Originally posted by moyer4487:
no matter what direction i turned or tacked and even just trying to put the wind at my back that was not the direction i wanted to travel the wind would instantly shift and be in my face. i was sailing in circles trying to catch the wind in any direction and no matter what it would shift and blow in my face. i have played this game long enough to know its not me this time. anybocy else have something like this happen? because it has made a direction to an island that i have sailed a hundred times to i can't even get halfway there now.
You are correct. The wind direction changes in the game are screwed up. I tested it. Mark the upwind direction by compass. Tack and very often the wind does change it's compass heading. That does not happen in real life. Also in a tack around 15 degrees into the turn wind starts to help push the bow over. The game boats tacks are off even with close hauled trim, empty or loaded weight. My boat (real one 32 foot) weighted over 8 tons dry and tacked far easier than the game's boats do.
Originally posted by mallardh:
My boat (real one 32 foot) weighted over 8 tons dry and tacked far easier than the game's boats do.
i assume your boat makes use of tech that came into being after 1650, yes?
mallardh Jan 18 @ 11:23pm 
Originally posted by Thundercracker:
Originally posted by mallardh:
My boat (real one 32 foot) weighted over 8 tons dry and tacked far easier than the game's boats do.
i assume your boat makes use of tech that came into being after 1650, yes?

Yes the galley slaves pulling the ores became to expensive to feed so I upgraded. To the point you wish to make about the game's wind direction?
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