Mods

[jdman6]

Where can I find mods for this game? I have seen some youtubers use mods but there doesn't seem to be a workshop page for this game. Any suggestions?

[TheOriginalMark:-)]

google "sailwind mods"

[danielprates]

Originally posted by TheOriginalMark:-):

google "sailwind mods"

Not a very helpful answer.

Googling will send you to a "thunder-something" mods page but it that isnt the best, more complete and updated source.

DISCORD is where you'll find the main repository

[mallardh]

Originally posted by danielprates:

Originally posted by TheOriginalMark:-):

google "sailwind mods"

Not a very helpful answer.

Googling will send you to a "thunder-something" mods page but it that isnt the best, more complete and updated source.

DISCORD is where you'll find the main repository

I can not find a "Discord" tab to click on. Please How do you open Discord. Thank you.

[GrumpyDave73]

why no workshop?

[danielprates]

Originally posted by danielprates:

Originally posted by TheOriginalMark:-):

google "sailwind mods"

Not a very helpful answer.

Googling will send you to a "thunder-something" mods page but it that isnt the best, more complete and updated source.

DISCORD is where you'll find the main repository

He is indeed not being very helpful.

Look up the 'sailwind discord' page, there is a mods tab, it is the most complete and up to date database for mods. There is also some explanation on how to install them.

[KnightlyKestrel]

Originally posted by mallardh:

Originally posted by danielprates:

Not a very helpful answer.

Googling will send you to a "thunder-something" mods page but it that isnt the best, more complete and updated source.

DISCORD is where you'll find the main repository

I can not find a "Discord" tab to click on. Please How do you open Discord. Thank you.

Discord is a seperate app from steam - I would suggest looking it up for more details.

to keep relevant things short: sailwind has an 'official' discord server - this is the proper DC server for the game, where you can find information, help and mods for the game. think steam forums but better (at least in this case.)

[Odoty]

Originally posted by GrumpyDave73:

why no workshop?

It's an Early Access game, so typically Mod Support is not worried about until later as it can effect how the game develops

[Thundercracker]

and this right here is why i hate discord being used as the primary official channel.

you lock a lot of stuff away from the general internet. this stuff should not be locked behind a third party chat program.

[Odoty]

Originally posted by mallardh:

Originally posted by danielprates:

Not a very helpful answer.

Googling will send you to a "thunder-something" mods page but it that isnt the best, more complete and updated source.

DISCORD is where you'll find the main repository

I can not find a "Discord" tab to click on. Please How do you open Discord. Thank you.

It's a link in the 3rd forum post from the top, should be this

https://discord.gg/u4C8RQG6X9

[mallardh]

Originally posted by KnightlyKestrel:

Originally posted by mallardh:

I can not find a "Discord" tab to click on. Please How do you open Discord. Thank you.

Discord is a seperate app from steam - I would suggest looking it up for more details.

to keep relevant things short: sailwind has an 'official' discord server - this is the proper DC server for the game, where you can find information, help and mods for the game. think steam forums but better (at least in this case.)

Thank you. Good info about just what Discord is. I was really off base.

I see Odoty has a reply post also. Going to check that out.

[mallardh]

Originally posted by Odoty:

Originally posted by mallardh:

I can not find a "Discord" tab to click on. Please How do you open Discord. Thank you.

It's a link in the 3rd forum post from the top, should be this

https://discord.gg/u4C8RQG6X9

Thank you. I checked out Discord. Very disappointed by the few mods and what it takes to install them. Not worth the time.

[Illusia]

i mean to be honest thunderstore isn't really out of date.
Heard some people have spicy takes on downloading third party apps, meanwhile people download Nexus mod manager.
anyways, if you want to use thunderstore in the laziest way, get R2MODMAN, follow its instructions to guide it to your local install, then install/download the mods from the respository in the app. It won't have all the mods, and some mods may be out of date, but it will get you up and going right away. And when you're ready to download stuff from the discord, then you can also use R2MODMAN to import those mods into your list and utilize them easily, with relatively little messing about with manual installing bepinex and whatnot.

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by Illusia:

Heard some people have spicy takes on downloading third party apps, meanwhile people download Nexus mod manager.

you misunderstand. there's nothing wrong with hosting mods on a discord server. what's wrong is when the majority of information about a game is locked behind a third party chat program.

to borrow your comparison with nexus mod manager, you don't have to install it to see what it's hosting. i can make a list from pretty much anything nexus hosts before i ever install the mod manager.

[theaaronone]

I don't use any mods for Sailwind so I can't speak to the ones that are out there, but I use Thunderstore / r2modman for Valheim; it's legit and while it's nowhere near as dense content-wise, I've actually come to prefer it to Nexus, I still use Nexus when I have to, but overall I think Thunderstore is a much cleaner solution.

[Hektor Riven]

Originally posted by Thundercracker:

and this right here is why i hate discord being used as the primary official channel.

you lock a lot of stuff away from the general internet. this stuff should not be locked behind a third party chat program.

The usage of Discord for these purposes is so bad indeed...

This is something I'm really keen on, and none can wololo me into thinking otherwise

Discord is a good remote server third party chat application, and it's the misusage of it that is a problem, not the application by itself.
To rely completely on a chat application for providing information about the developement of games and mods is, absolutely, a misusage, because:

1. while one can access many Discord servers even without account, contents within these servers isn't processed by internet search engines, hence, by "googling" something, even if it exists in a Discord server, one wouldn't find it.

2. proper "forums" have been introduced in Discord only recently and, regardless, most Discord servers just have few "channels", that is, chats with MILIONS of messages, one chat for each topic. There's the chance to pin messages but, so far, the pinned messages in the Sailwind Discord server don't contain all the information I deemed important, especially about mods.

3. it's impossible to find the "thread header", that is, the first message.
For most of the channels, you can scroll up indefinitely and you'll never reach the very top, this because of the milions of messages that have been written since the beginning of the server.
In the "thread header" are usually written the most important information, like the presentation of a mod project (with download link).
Most of the mods in the Sailwind Discord have a subchannel and messages in them are few enough that the user can reach the top easily, finding, for instance, the download link, but this is just good luck.

4. the search function doesn't make up for the misusage of a chat system. For instance, there's a mod that adds a Xebec to Sailwind, but it's just its developer who mentioned it in the generic modding chat, and I wanted to know where he took the model from. I supposed it was the one from "Blackwake" and put this name into the search function, and I had the supreme fortune that someone actually asked the same, so "Blackwake" appeared as a result, but then he got answered that it's from "Naval Action". Now, without a thread header and a presentation of the project, there's no reliable way to find out from where the model of the Xebec comes from.
Its author reposted at least twice a download link because it got repeatedly lost due to the many other messages.

5. Does anyone out of the Discord know that a BEAUTIFUL AND GLORIOUS CLIPPER is being worked on as well? It's one of the very few mods that have a proper "discussion" tab into a Discord channel however... This "discussion" is called "Shattered Seas", not "Clipper" or something that brings one to think it's about a modded ship.
So, here is how I found out about this fantastic ship: a user posted an image of it, I put the user name as a search term and found out he joined a beta, then found out the author of the mod and finally found out as well that he posted mainly into this "shattered seas" sub-channel, so I assumed, after reading all the messages for a while, that this one was the right place relatively to the clipper mod.
It took me half an hour to complete the process.

Originally posted by Thundercracker:

Originally posted by Illusia:

Heard some people have spicy takes on downloading third party apps, meanwhile people download Nexus mod manager.

you misunderstand. there's nothing wrong with hosting mods on a discord server. what's wrong is when the majority of information about a game is locked behind a third party chat program.

to borrow your comparison with nexus mod manager, you don't have to install it to see what it's hosting. i can make a list from pretty much anything nexus hosts before i ever install the mod manager.

By using Nexus, for instance, if I look for a mod on Google, it pops up. There's a "thread header" that is basically the description tab, with version number, last update time, changelog, requirements with links, and a bugs tab like it's for Github projects (issues or poll requests), and, finally, a comment section, which might get cluttered but it's easy to navigate within as a relatively limited traffic of info is diverted there.

No matter if it's Nexus or Thunderstore (or even Github if each mod would have "Sailwind" within its name), but mods HAVE TO BE host in places accessible by search engines.
Even Reddit: the best service that has been done to the Xebec mod is from an open beta user that decided to post some pictures on Reddit, and now the world knows about it.