I have 0 Zero interest in learning to sail a lugger

[DeadCenter]

This looks promising, but until I can use a Bermuda Rigged sailboat right away, this will never be played by me again. All your luggers do is piss me off. No thanks. This could be a blast, I'll come back when you come into the modern era. Sorry.

[Crotaro]

I have no impact on the development of this game, but could you explain what exactly annoys you about lugger rigs?

[Dynamiez]

Is this real or just trolling? you want a bermuda rig in a game that plays in a time when there was no bermuda rig? sooo.... i want laser weapons and spaceships in this game. can we pleeeeeaaaaaase have spaceships?

[FreeQuest]

maybe try SailAway then.

[RawLionWorkshop]

Originally posted by DeadCenter:

I have 0 Zero interest in learning to sail a lugger

That's great because there are actually Zero lug sails in this game :)

You could try a gaff+jib rig, it handles pretty much the same as a modern bermuda rig.

[JPL 1138]

Does DeadCenter even know what a lug sail is? They indicated they won't play the game *again,* which sounds like they think one or all of the starting boats are lug rigged.

Maybe DeadCenter means lateen?

[DeadCenter]

What I know is I paid for early access. played 2 hours before I decided it's not worth my time. I just want to sail. This has the most promising reality based physics, but I just don't like your boats. If that means I wasted my $$ whatever.

If it handled like all the sailing video i watch all the time, i'd be gone for hours. I liked everything BUT your boat.

Originally posted by Dynamiez:

Is this real or just trolling? you want a bermuda rig in a game that plays in a time when there was no bermuda rig? sooo.... i want laser weapons and spaceships in this game. can we pleeeeeaaaaaase have spaceships?

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I don't see ANY era mentioned in the description of this software, and "This configuration was developed in Bermuda in the 1600s" so WTF are you trolling? And please do tell what time frame this is set in hmm? I'd sure love to know.

[DeadCenter]

I don't know what a lug sail is? then neither does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lug_sail

Gee, those look an aweful lot like your boats tho ...

[JPL 1138]

Yep that's a lug sail. No such boat in this game though. So I assume you are talking about the dhow, which is lateen rig.

The only other rigs available as starting boats are the two masted junk rig, and the square rigged Cog.

Now each of those starting rigs can be altered in the game at the drydock. You can make a sloop, EDIT: there are no "lug" sails in the game at all right now, but you can make something like a Lugger if you squint at it; You can cat-rig the Cog by moving the mast forward and using a large gaff sail.

As regards the chronology of the Bermuda style we must distinguish between a Bermuda Rig and a Bermuda Sloop. They are not the same thing.

The rig gets it's name from the sloop, but ORIGINALLY the Bermuda Sloop had a gaff mainsil. And you can absolutely recreate this type of rig in the game. The only thing you can't do right now with the game's current drydock options is angle the mast to make it a raked mast, as was common for Bermuda Sloops.

[DeadCenter]

I don't want to screw with it. I just wanna sail. Your boats just ain't sexy.

You can get all wrapped up in the whatevers and I'll just keep dreaming of a game I can buy where I can sail a boat just like the thousands of utoobers get to sail around this planet. There is NO game like it. This one has potential to be a smash with a certain crowd IMO. I'm just a nobody with an opinion that stinks just like everyone else. You can be all wound up in whatever ancient sail period you like. It's your game after all. Nobody I care to watch on the utoobs sails boats like this in the real world. Hours spent watching them trim the boat and sails is useless when I get on your boat. Make a game that sails like those guys ... it will be a hit. That is just one dudes opinion. YMMV

[JPL 1138]

I'm not entirely sure I even understand your complaint.

To be clear: the boats (at least the starting boats) in this game are configurable. And you can can turn them into a sloops or other types of rig if you want. It costs in-game money so you have to learn how to sail a lateen rig before you get to play with anything more complicated.

This game is more for people who want to simulate historical seamanship. Celestial navigation is as big a part of this game as is the sailing physics.

But if all you want is a game where you sail a modern fiberglass hull bermuda-rig sloop you could try eSail.

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by DeadCenter:

Nobody I care to watch on the utoobs sails boats like this in the real world.

that's because you seem to watch people showing off slick modern gear, at least compared to what we have in this game. you'd only really find people sailing these kinds of ships on youtube to show off old time tech, or to prove that people of a certain era could reach a place with the tech they had.

you know, you just made me search youtube for "sailing," just to see what i got, and mostly it looks like rich people showing off their (modern) boats.

but, something i was surprised to see is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPo4d-LLyZg

we have a ship rigged just like this in this game (or close enough for my landlubber eyes,) and that ship happens to be my favorite. even if i can never remember its name here.

[JPL 1138]

Originally posted by Terrorsaur:

but, something i was surprised to see is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPo4d-LLyZg

we have a ship rigged just like this in this game (or close enough for my landlubber eyes,) and that ship happens to be my favorite. even if i can never remember its name here.

That's a beautiful boat. Those are the battened sails of a Junk. As you noted Sailwind has two Junks: the two masted starter Junk and the larger three masted Junk docked at Dragon Cliffs. The characteristic battened sail of an Asian Junk is one of the most obvious things that distinguishes the type of sailboat. Technically they are sometimes called Chinese Lug Sails, so DeadCenter may have been referring to these boats when they wrote Lugger.

[FizzyGig]

can't help it if you are a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[DeadCenter]

Originally posted by jplapeyr:

I'm not entirely sure I even understand your complaint.

*SNIP* It costs in-game money so you have to learn how to sail a lateen rig before you get to play with anything more complicated.

neh - PASS

This game is more for people who want to simulate historical seamanship. Celestial navigation is as big a part of this game as is the sailing physics.

*golfclap* Way to keep your audience small.

But if all you want is a game where you sail a modern fiberglass hull bermuda-rig sloop you could try eSail.

Bermuda rigs were invented in the 1600's - just how ancient you gotta be anyway?

[DeadCenter]

Originally posted by Terrorsaur:

Originally posted by DeadCenter:

Nobody I care to watch on the utoobs sails boats like this in the real world.

that's because you seem to watch people showing off slick modern gear, *SNIP*

You don't know what I watch, but go ahead and make ASSumptions.
Do you realize how many people would flock to a game that would let them sail a pilot cutter? Tally-Ho mofo!