Manipulate and bosses.

[crimsonlegion]

Hello, devs.

It should be interesting to indicate in the description of the Manipulate ("Convert 1 die from any target until the end of enemies turn") face that it does not work against bosses. I tried to convert a face giving Torment (Convert should make it a Serenity), but the game did not allowed it. So i suppose bosses are immune to dice manipulation (except reroll, it seems) and thus it should be clearly stated in the Manipulate description.

Have a nice day.

[Big Mad Wolf]

Convert states that it turns Corrupt action into Purify actions. Torment is not a Corrupt action. Enhance also only works on Purify actions for example.

[crimsonlegion]

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

Convert states that it turns Corrupt action into Purify actions. Torment is not a Corrupt action. Enhance also only works on Purify actions for example.

Then it is not clear to what "Action" is. To me, a Corruption Action is something that will affect Corruption, be it a buff/debuff/direct damage. And Convert would apply to any of this for which an oppposite exist (thus Serenity/Torment, as an example). If Convert applies only to Direct damage action, then it should be written more clearly.
But thank you anyway for the explanation.

[Big Mad Wolf]

Originally posted by crimsonlegion:

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

Convert states that it turns Corrupt action into Purify actions. Torment is not a Corrupt action. Enhance also only works on Purify actions for example.

Then it is not clear to what "Action" is. To me, a Corruption Action is something that will affect Corruption, be it a buff/debuff/direct damage. And Convert would apply to any of this for which an oppposite exist (thus Serenity/Torment, as an example). If Convert applies only to Direct damage action, then it should be written more clearly.
But thank you anyway for the explanation.

If an action does not talk about dealing corruption, it is not affected. Only something that deals corruption is a corrupt action, pretty straight forward.

[Firellius]

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

Originally posted by crimsonlegion:

Then it is not clear to what "Action" is. To me, a Corruption Action is something that will affect Corruption, be it a buff/debuff/direct damage. And Convert would apply to any of this for which an oppposite exist (thus Serenity/Torment, as an example). If Convert applies only to Direct damage action, then it should be written more clearly.
But thank you anyway for the explanation.

If an action does not talk about dealing corruption, it is not affected. Only something that deals corruption is a corrupt action, pretty straight forward.

That's not quite accurate either. Meteor Storm, for example, deals corruption, but is not a Corrupt Action.

It is literally only the most basic 'Deal X corruption (to target/to self/to all)' that are counted as Corrupt actions.

[Big Mad Wolf]

Originally posted by Firellius:

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

If an action does not talk about dealing corruption, it is not affected. Only something that deals corruption is a corrupt action, pretty straight forward.

That's not quite accurate either. Meteor Storm, for example, deals corruption, but is not a Corrupt Action.

It is literally only the most basic 'Deal X corruption (to target/to self/to all)' that are counted as Corrupt actions.

Can't say anything about, Astrea is not character that get Convert by default? :D

[Firellius]

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

Originally posted by Firellius:

That's not quite accurate either. Meteor Storm, for example, deals corruption, but is not a Corrupt Action.

It is literally only the most basic 'Deal X corruption (to target/to self/to all)' that are counted as Corrupt actions.

Can't say anything about, Astrea is not character that get Convert by default? :D

Austra doesn't get convert, no, but there is an enemy that gets Meteor Storm as well. I think there might be a boss, too.

[Loco]

Originally posted by crimsonlegion:

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

Convert states that it turns Corrupt action into Purify actions. Torment is not a Corrupt action. Enhance also only works on Purify actions for example.

Then it is not clear to what "Action" is. To me, a Corruption Action is something that will affect Corruption, be it a buff/debuff/direct damage. And Convert would apply to any of this for which an oppposite exist (thus Serenity/Torment, as an example). If Convert applies only to Direct damage action, then it should be written more clearly.
But thank you anyway for the explanation.

Corrupt and Purify are specific actions, not general terms.

[Quizer]

It would be cool if Convert worked on more different things, since all characters have access to the Sentinel that has Convert on its die, and a lot of other actions have complements on both sides of the Purity / Corruption divide. Would it be broken if you could convert Sothis's Affliction Dice to Relief, for example? Torment is another good candidate, since it also doesn't appear in brokenly large quantities on dice, IIRC. Austra's Meteor rain would be a different story, although her Meteor Rain strategy would probably become less powerful if you started converting her dice...

[Bumc]

Convert and manipulate are very strong already.

If manipulate/convert worked on a wider array of actions, you wouldn't need to read most bosses mechanics -- just keep converting everything to purification and you're good.

[Quizer]

Most of the things that were mentioned aren't used by bosses, or aren't applied to you in the form of dice, but are on the boss in the form of buffs. Manipulate is actually surprisingly weak. Many bosses have dice with nothing on them that is subject to Manipulate, so if you built your strategy around doing that, you're kinda out of luck. When you first start playing the game, it seems like Manipulate is what Moonie wants to be doing and working towards, but that turns out to be a trap.