Worried about this game's future after Unity's BS

[Darksoulz48]

I love this game to death and want it to continue it's legacy but with Unity deciding to nuke themselves i am now worried that this game will die soon.

[GhoulMaxing]

Shame. I always preferred the way unity games looked over unreal engine.

[Harlequin]

The Godot Engine is also a good Engine.

[Darksoulz48]

Originally posted by Harlequin:

The Godot Engine is also a good Engine.

Yeah but how hard will it be on them to change engines like that?

[Harlequin]

Originally posted by Darksoulz48:

Originally posted by Harlequin:

The Godot Engine is also a good Engine.

Yeah but how hard will it be on them to change engines like that?

Rely on Developer, the Assets are done in Lunacid (almost). It takes time to learn a new Engine, more as to learn a new programming language. But i think its not a big deal, to change to Godot. Both Engines are Node Based, they have similarities.

[Crack Open a Cold One]

Originally posted by Darksoulz48:

Originally posted by Harlequin:

The Godot Engine is also a good Engine.

Yeah but how hard will it be on them to change engines like that?

People are posting guides out the ass on how to switch from Unity to other engines lately.

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

Unity has already backtracked on most things. The new changes no longer affect older versions of Unity unless you update them to a newer version than the one at the end of 2023.

So this game should no longer be affected.

[Darksoulz48]

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Unity has already backtracked on most things. The new changes no longer affect older versions of Unity unless you update them to a newer version than the one at the end of 2023.

So this game should no longer be affected.

thank the stars

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Unity has already backtracked on most things. The new changes no longer affect older versions of Unity unless you update them to a newer version than the one at the end of 2023.

So this game should no longer be affected.

Be reminded that Unity pulls the typical commercial trick of "first burn their families, put the fire out again, now poisoning their families doesnt look as bad."

In other words, they know what they want to achieve doesnt go well with the people/customers, so they do the worst thing they possibly could (ofcourse selling their shares before too), then backpedal, then the bad thing they initially wanted to do does now suddenly look like a good compromise to the customers.
Its a classic tactic.
Often a genious move, similar to the ecological footprint.
An invention by BP because they were sick being the bad oil guys destroying the world, so they invented the footprint, leading people to think about the evil doings of themselves and thus suddenly BP didnt look as bad anymore, because now all were equally bad people.

Sometimes big companies or corporations have fun little tricks up their sleeves to trick people into thinking in a way it helps them.

So now Unity is free to do what they want, because anything that they could have done that would have caused a backlash is now overshadowed by the absolute worst they announced but didnt do.

And all are "thank the stars they didnt do this". Meanwhile Unity does what they actually wanted.

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

I dont think thats it. Your theory would make sense if they were selling to the public. But here they are clearly selling to companies and they dont work in the same way.

A company will invest an enormous amount of time and resources in to an engine and will thus be super risk averse. You cant really fool them twice because they will never trust you as a partner again if you burnt them the first time.

What will happens is that the existing games and games that are under development will finish under the old contract and then they wont renew them. Small companies will switch to other engines and big companies like Microsoft will negotiate special deals with much better and unchangeable causes to them.

Eventually Unity will have to fire their management and board and start over. Possibly after being acquired by some company with better reputation. Because if they dont they will eventually lose too much market share and revenue.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

What i dont really understand is why people are complaining so hard about the unity fee. I mean they specified you needed to have BOTH earned 200k USD AND sold 200k copies of the game BEFORE any fee is incurred, THEN it's just 15cents per install.

So if your game is sold for 10 dollars, you get 9,85 for it instead,

So to me, i'm hearing triple a developers who are to lazy to create their own engine, whine about a 15cent fee on an 80USD title, they'll probably sell 2 million copies of.

Just sounds like a very marginal fee for using a good engine and greedy idiots are whining about it.

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

The main problems come from free to play games on mobile that can have tens of millions of downloads but make very little money for each unit. If you are only making a dollar per person on average then thats 15% of revenue in extra cost.

Also your example does not work. If they sell it for $10, then here in Sweden the store gets $8 and VAT takes $2. After than Steam wants 30% So thats $5.6 remaining. After that the publisher wants half or so. So that $2.8 remaining. Also people might not just install a game only once. What if they do it twice for $0.3? Thats about 10% of revenue extra in a new fee.

Or if you apply it on the $1 above then thats about 101% net revenue in extra fees. So more than the game made in the first place.

Also, Unity tried to apply this retroactively to older games. This is most likely illegal but it would mean that companies would have to pay a new huge fee out of the blue.

Finally, the formula for determining how many installs a game has had is apparently secret so when the bill comes its a "trust me bro" moment from Unity.

[ChibiKami]

Originally posted by Lunatic Heretic:

What i dont really understand is why people are complaining so hard about the unity fee. I mean they specified you needed to have BOTH earned 200k USD AND sold 200k copies of the game BEFORE any fee is incurred, THEN it's just 15cents per install.

per install does not mean per sale
it means that someone can create a script to install, delete, and reinstall a game ad infinitum and actually bankrupt a developer with a single computer

additionally, Unity games are typically distributed in a zip file or similar archive file, not an installer. The user would have to manually allow analytics for them to be legally allowed to collect data, even data as insignificant as being a unique install. So either there's a checkbox the user HAS to click or the corporation will be gathering data illegally

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Eventually Unity will have to fire their management and board and start over. Possibly after being acquired by some company with better reputation. Because if they dont they will eventually lose too much market share and revenue.

What do you know! I was right! The CEO of unity was fired yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-zXIBy3u9U

[Darksoulz48]

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Eventually Unity will have to fire their management and board and start over. Possibly after being acquired by some company with better reputation. Because if they dont they will eventually lose too much market share and revenue.

What do you know! I was right! The CEO of unity was fired yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-zXIBy3u9U

Les fuggin GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[DAOWAce]

Originally posted by Darksoulz48:

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

What do you know! I was right! The CEO of unity was fired yesterday.

Les fuggin GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The CEO is beholden to the board, which is beholden to the shareholders.

Him being ousted is just a scapegoat tactic. There are multiple people in leadership positions that are as bad or worse than him.

Unity may be more consumer friendly in the short term, but expect them to pull more crap in future as its overall management has not changed.