are non magic builds even viable?

[Lucius Caesar]

Just got into the game today, been putting a lot of points into dexterity and speed, with a few in strength and health for when I need to use a melee weapon with a specific damage type. Got to the first real boss, Crillal and he's literally impossible. Outheals all the damage I do with ranged weapons, and even the Vampire sword doesn't do enough... all the guides or hints I see say "just use lightning damage" but that barely tickles him either. I'm trying to grind levels and up my intelligence, but I've only got it up to 20 (from 9) and it still feels useless. Watched a video where someone blasted him with 55 intelligence... at this point do I just restart the game and up my magic early or is there another way?

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by vile:

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

thanks for all the advice all :) I've been busy and haven't had another attempt, but you all make it sound like I should be doing more damage than I actually was so I do wonder if the issue was purely because of the full moon.

He doesn't usually regen and he gets another like, 3000 health during a full moon. I think you'll do fine next attempt.

OMG Thank you for clearing that up the Regen is specifically what screwed me up

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

thanks for all the advice all :) I've been busy and haven't had another attempt, but you all make it sound like I should be doing more damage than I actually was so I do wonder if the issue was purely because of the full moon.

Using mainly a staff it’s doable just time consuming

[Lucius Caesar]

I changed the date on my Steam Deck to the next lunar cycle and tried again, beat him first try :) Still a long winded fight, but the fact that I could step back and not have to be super aggressive lest he outheal my damage made all the difference. Especially when he'd just turn into the mist and I'd have to watch all my hard work get undone.

Appreciate the help :)

[vile]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

I changed the date on my Steam Deck to the next lunar cycle and tried again, beat him first try :) Still a long winded fight, but the fact that I could step back and not have to be super aggressive lest he outheal my damage made all the difference. Especially when he'd just turn into the mist and I'd have to watch all my hard work get undone.

Appreciate the help :)

Awesome!

[DAOWAce]

Originally posted by Unseen:

You should try out daggerfall unity its free on steam, was able to beat it with a warrior build no problem.

I don't believe you, unless it wasn't your first time playing.

I died about half a dozen times just in the opening being melee, and only got out of the dungeon because I got good RNG. Still have to kinda save scum 'cause some things are just wildly powerful and you don't know until you engage. Also RNG.

Know of a good guide to making viable builds?

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Fargo:

is it possible, that there is currently a full moon, where you live? if so, he gets a massive buff

I have only just started this game but are you implying that location settings / the actual moon cycle or do you mean in game?

[Unseen]

Originally posted by DAOWAce:

Originally posted by Unseen:

You should try out daggerfall unity its free on steam, was able to beat it with a warrior build no problem.

I don't believe you, unless it wasn't your first time playing.

I died about half a dozen times just in the opening being melee, and only got out of the dungeon because I got good RNG. Still have to kinda save scum 'cause some things are just wildly powerful and you don't know until you engage. Also RNG.

Know of a good guide to making viable builds?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929290848

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2940623716

I have made 2 starter guides on both arena and daggerfall feel free to give em a look. As for class builds, I can't say cause in arena I played a sorcerer or mage type and it was ridiculously easy just spam force bolt, passwall, and some reflect spell that makes enemy elements useless.

Arena magic is ridiculously broken.

In daggerfall I seriously did use a warrior, the guy in my screenshots is a redguard warrior and I'am not lying I beat vanilla daggerfall as well no unity. Daggerfall is a balanced game, and its just as easy to beat it with a warrior as any type. So can't really recommend a class in daggerfall as you can probably beat it with any class. The game offers way more freedom than most rpgs did back then.

I highly suggest unity as vanilla daggerfall is full of bugs, warrior didn't make that game painful.

Also warrior was my first time playing daggerfall. Warrior is totally viable in daggerfall cause they actually balanced daggerfall. I have other negatives about daggerfall that have no point in this thread but class system it shines.

[hot man one eyeball]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

Just got into the game today, been putting a lot of points into dexterity and speed, with a few in strength and health for when I need to use a melee weapon with a specific damage type. Got to the first real boss, Crillal and he's literally impossible. Outheals all the damage I do with ranged weapons, and even the Vampire sword doesn't do enough... all the guides or hints I see say "just use lightning damage" but that barely tickles him either. I'm trying to grind levels and up my intelligence, but I've only got it up to 20 (from 9) and it still feels useless. Watched a video where someone blasted him with 55 intelligence... at this point do I just restart the game and up my magic early or is there another way?

I see you cleared the fight (grats by the way :D) but I am curious what level you were taking him on at and what your stats were. On my first playthrough I pumped the absolute ♥♥♥♥ out of STR with a healthy amount of points into speed and dex for exploration, and I literally had 5 INT up until the first time I challenged the final boss.

Can say with confidence that save for that final boss, you can absolutely demolish the game going for a STR playthrough. Late game you'll 1-2 shot every enemy and you'll have so much HP you really shouldn't die.

[Doctor Dementor]

i mean the game is very VERY easy you can crank up the difficulty bar to up and it wont make much difference since you can pretty much avoid being hit by every enemies by good old circle strafing and the over generous leveling all of that without even using magic

[hot man one eyeball]

Originally posted by dirtyCAT:

Originally posted by Fargo:

is it possible, that there is currently a full moon, where you live? if so, he gets a massive buff

I have only just started this game but are you implying that location settings / the actual moon cycle or do you mean in game?

There are a TON of things in game that are affected by the IRL Moon cycle, its really cool. When you open the pause menu, and even on the title screen, it shows the current moon phase.

Also, felt this needed clearing up, location has nothing to do with it. The current phase of the moon is the same no matter what part of the Earth you're on.

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by hot man one eyeball:

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

Just got into the game today, been putting a lot of points into dexterity and speed, with a few in strength and health for when I need to use a melee weapon with a specific damage type. Got to the first real boss, Crillal and he's literally impossible. Outheals all the damage I do with ranged weapons, and even the Vampire sword doesn't do enough... all the guides or hints I see say "just use lightning damage" but that barely tickles him either. I'm trying to grind levels and up my intelligence, but I've only got it up to 20 (from 9) and it still feels useless. Watched a video where someone blasted him with 55 intelligence... at this point do I just restart the game and up my magic early or is there another way?

I see you cleared the fight (grats by the way :D) but I am curious what level you were taking him on at and what your stats were. On my first playthrough I pumped the absolute ♥♥♥♥ out of STR with a healthy amount of points into speed and dex for exploration, and I literally had 5 INT up until the first time I challenged the final boss.

Can say with confidence that save for that final boss, you can absolutely demolish the game going for a STR playthrough. Late game you'll 1-2 shot every enemy and you'll have so much HP you really shouldn't die.

I don't remember the exact stats but it was something like 25 STR 40 Dex and 9 INT or so. Honestly without the full moon health regen I coulda beat him with the crossbow and a bit of patience.

[hot man one eyeball]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

Originally posted by hot man one eyeball:

I see you cleared the fight (grats by the way :D) but I am curious what level you were taking him on at and what your stats were. On my first playthrough I pumped the absolute ♥♥♥♥ out of STR with a healthy amount of points into speed and dex for exploration, and I literally had 5 INT up until the first time I challenged the final boss.

Can say with confidence that save for that final boss, you can absolutely demolish the game going for a STR playthrough. Late game you'll 1-2 shot every enemy and you'll have so much HP you really shouldn't die.

I don't remember the exact stats but it was something like 25 STR 40 Dex and 9 INT or so. Honestly without the full moon health regen I coulda beat him with the crossbow and a bit of patience.

Super interesting. I've never fought him on a full moon so I may do a quick runthrough just to see how much more difficult he is during one.

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by hot man one eyeball:

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

I don't remember the exact stats but it was something like 25 STR 40 Dex and 9 INT or so. Honestly without the full moon health regen I coulda beat him with the crossbow and a bit of patience.

Super interesting. I've never fought him on a full moon so I may do a quick runthrough just to see how much more difficult he is during one.

if you have the DPS, I'm sure its fine, but if not, you can just watch all your hard work be undone the moment he transforms to gas and you can't attack to keep the pressure on, its incredibly frustrating.

[BugoTheCat]

I happen to play these days with full moon and didn't even realize this first boss was buffed. I recognized it as I see the Anhkou's everywhere (the skeletons with the scythes). I am trying to do builds where I fully max one stat and ignore the others. Intelligence was definitely the easier. But with my other builds even with low offensive stats, running around and using the wands like wand of power would work it's way, sometimes some of the elements will set this boss in fire or other elemental effects (but to some he is immune). I had harder time with the final boss of the game, where only spamming certain magic with high intelligence character worked (previously though I very slowly beat him with moonlight sword ranged magic attack).

Some weapons also scale with strength or dex or others. I recently realized very high dexterity also increases damage in bows and magic staff. I think it used to be in the prealpha that these increased with strength only but this is changed now and the staff of power is OP although slower than magic with high int.

Also you are too low of a level probably to fight him.

[Unseen]

I think if they are gonna increase the difficulty of this game they are gonna have to make a new difficulty mode like diablo or something. If the difficulty bar is already broken then all they can do is make a new difficulty mode where you can carry over what you earned. That's the whole point of an rpg is to increase stats.

Castkevania sotn is a good example of a fun rpg with a system that is easily broken then the game smashes into a brick wall. What is the point of the crissagram? To shred anything even the optional egyptian boss in a few brief seconds? By having a more difficult carry over difficulty sotn could of increased boss challenge which also would of made the crissagram and numerous other weapons more fun to use.

This game is also not very different from other rpgs alongside kings field. Back then they didn't factor replay or new game modes cause the idea was beat it and move on. This new idea of games and rpgs was brought in more recently. I had an xbox and there was very few games that were actually replayable, maybe fable but that even got old. Morrowind was a bug filled mess on xbox but at least it was replayable.

Anyone who plays rpgs, platformers, and shooters/survival horror knows that not all game structures are built for infinite replay ability. Some you just complete and move on, extra modes for lunacid would be nice. But I just see it a lucid dream, a kind of abstract rpg with its own style. A game can really add any kind of system and still be a complex game. Just cause it seems easy don't mean the journey was easy, there's still a lot to find and figure out in this game and its an impressive work of art. Think this games pretty awesome actually I'm not gonna bash it, maybe I'll find some glaring problem at the end but I doubt it. Atmosphere, music, art style all spot on and it has enough of an rpg system to be interesting. Its a great game for the asking price can't say I find much wrong with it. Already a fan of the creators work.