I really do not like Botan

[Loxosceles]

It literally seems impossible to win against her. You have to play so perfect and make exactly no mistakes. You whiff one attack and now your stuck in a 30 hit combo and half your health is already gone. She doesn't even need meter for it. I don't wanna sound like a scrub cuz I'd really like help learning this matchup but there's no way this character is fair. Pls nerf.

[pseudo]

Originally posted by Loxosceles:

I don't wanna sound like a scrub cuz I'd really like help learning this matchup but there's no way this character is fair. Pls nerf.

unfortunately that's just how these games work. There's always gonna be that one character that everyone moans about but the devs don't see as a problem. (Any Elphelt haters in the room?)

As for learning the MU which parts are you struggling with (also good idea to tell us who you're using)

[Loxosceles]

Originally posted by pseudo:

Originally posted by Loxosceles:

I don't wanna sound like a scrub cuz I'd really like help learning this matchup but there's no way this character is fair. Pls nerf.

unfortunately that's just how these games work. There's always gonna be that one character that everyone moans about but the devs don't see as a problem. (Any Elphelt haters in the room?)

As for learning the MU which parts are you struggling with (also good idea to tell us who you're using)

So I main Korone and I just struggle to mix her up once I get some decent shield pressure going. All I have is M+H but if she blocks its unsafe and even if it hits she can use any attack and now I've lost neutral. I don't know how to punish that move where she goes prone and shoots her sniper rifle, and I also just don't know what she has that's unsafe on black cuz I'm too scared to risk it and trade with her and get stuck in another 30 hit combo.

[RE:Deemer]

She's pretty annoying.

However, what Botan mains don't want you to know is that their moves can be pretty punishable.

[Kyo Tanaka]

Originally posted by RE:Deemer:

She's pretty annoying.

However, what Botan mains don't want you to know is that their moves can be pretty punishable.

Which part is punishable? She has disjointed hitboxes that she can pull out while retreating. The same string Botan always pull out always clip me when I try to contest it, punishing me for trying to punish her.

[TheMaster_Rahl]

Korone players need to use 5M a lot more. Botan has limited ways of dealing with that move. Botans M+H is plus 1, so I assumed that everyones was plus. You should def double check that now that there is frame advantage info in training mode. On hit, you should def be at advantage. Universal overheads would be very bad if they werent plus on hit. There should even be ways to confirm it depending on your collab partner, and if you have collab/2 bars to spend.

Try to throw more. It will make Botans want to press buttons or jump in your block strings, which will get them hit when you choose not to throw. If you arent running pressure strings that can reset into more pressure safely, then you need to find and practice better block strings. Korone has good ways to reset pressure that Botan cant do a lot about.

Botan is pretty bad at getting out of pressure. She has 22D, and she has some 214L gimmicks that low profile a lot of moves, and thats about it. You mentioned punishing the 214L, thats the move where she goes prone and shoots the rifle. If you are close enough to punish, then youd have to jump over it. It will low profile your jump ins, so just land and hit her with like 2M. If you blocked the 214L, even at point blank I dont think its punishable, so you simply try to take your turn on pressure. Just keep in mind that she doesnt have to let it recover on block. She can super chat cancel it into another special, or 22D after recovery. Take your pressure until they show you that they will spend resources though. For neutral play, there is a spacing game to play around your yubi zoning, and her 214L. You need to try to put yourself in a space where Botan cant do 214L on reaction to your yubi zoning without risks. Full screen, she has to wait a bit, or yubi will hit her 214L recovery, So you can try to dash and jump to close space. Mid range, is more in Botans favor, as she can react without delay, and 214L before you can jump/recover from yubi. But at this mid range is where if you can jump over her 214L, you can potentially get a true punish, or at the least, start pressure.

Korone has a jump cancelable launcher on block iirc. Its pretty hard for Botans to react to the jump cancel with 2H anti air vs, say a yubi reset. Yubi into 5M can be very hard to challenge.

Korone has her own move that low profiles (3H) a ton of things Botan does. Since Botan has basically no plus frame reset pressure, she relies a lot on stagger pressure to catch mashing. She also uses her 5MM as a way to approach, get in, and start pressure. Korone 3H will just go under 5MM. It goes under 2H if she staggers that too much. It goes under her 5L if she tries a cheeky little reset.

Korone is certainly capable of dealing meterless damage on par with Botan, so def look into getting some better combos. Meterless combos with a light starter should be getting you around 300-350 damage, and more like 400-450 for any other starter.

Korone doesnt have to care about Botan oki if she has resources to spend. For some ungodly reason, wake up super DPs can be SC canceled on block in this game. So when you have meter and the Botans are getting a bit too happy hitting you meaty, DP them. If they get hit, you get full confirm, and if they blocked it, you get to start pressure. There is a lot of things that a Botan has to play around when you have resources or are close to burst. She cannot just jump over your DP like you can hers.

Ima stop typing ♥♥♥♥ now. I didnt intend for this to be so long... Hopefully some of this is helpful, and gives you some ideas to try out.

[KingDragoon]

Git Gud and pray you don't run into aki players