How do you spread the hunger with the baroness?

[forrestomintero]

I saw someone talking about how they spread "the hunger" with the baroness to make a vampire cult, but I'm wondering how you do that? I haven't seen anything in her actions or traits to suggest it's possible, and I'm not seeing anything like that happen passively. Short of pumping her lore stat to get blood 3, how does one do this?

[Olgol2]

If you have corrupted a holy order (witches do not count) to at least -1 alignment, then there will be a lore task for the baroness that can be done on the holy order's seat of power that will then unlock the ability to put points towards giving the holy order "the hunger". You will then need to activate that tenant to actually give the hunger to the acolytes (and make the baroness their prophet in the process).

My preferred way of doing this is to level grind the baroness by spamming the influence holy order task until she gets to at least lore 3 and have an intrigue agent or two focused on stealing gold for "donations" to quickly corrupt the holy order.

[The Grand Mugwump]

You need to infiltrate a seat of holy order location. The baroness can then do a lore action at that infiltrated location to give them access to the hunger moral tenet. The holy order's alignment doesn't matter for the actual act of giving them the hunger moral tenet. To make them use it however, you need to make them aligned with elder powers and then put influence into the hunger moral tenet.

[crawlers]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Olgol2:

If you have corrupted a holy order (witches do not count) to at least -1 alignment, then there will be a lore task for the baroness that can be done on the holy order's seat of power that will then unlock the ability to put points towards giving the holy order "the hunger". You will then need to activate that tenant to actually give the hunger to the acolytes (and make the baroness their prophet in the process).

My preferred way of doing this is to level grind the baroness by spamming the influence holy order task until she gets to at least lore 3 and have an intrigue agent or two focused on stealing gold for "donations" to quickly corrupt the holy order.

Alignment is not necessary to perform the task to enable the tenant for the religion, only infiltration is, but it is an elder aligned tenant that must be increased like normal (requiring elder alignment).

[fspades]

Fair warning: This is pretty underwhelming as of right now. All it does is acolytes occasionally spreading shadow when they succumb to their hunger. I guess you can turn them into vampires if you have a Death Lvl 2 Mage, but that's also too much investment for what it nets you (more shadow). The Hunger and vampires in general need a substantial buff.

[crawlers]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fspades:

Fair warning: This is pretty underwhelming as of right now. All it does is acolytes occasionally spreading shadow when they succumb to their hunger. I guess you can turn them into vampires if you have a Death Lvl 2 Mage, but that's also too much investment for what it nets you (more shadow). The Hunger and vampires in general need a substantial buff.

The main power of the acolytes is that they revive anyone with the hunger who died as a fully undead vampire who in turn can spread the hunger to others by feeding on them. This doesn't require any work or magic on the player's part beside perhaps killing a few acolytes or other people who have the hunger so the acolytes can revive them. The priority to do this action is very high, they will carry it out consistently even if the target is far away.

[fspades]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crawlers:

The main power of the acolytes is that they revive anyone with the hunger who died as a fully undead vampire who in turn can spread the hunger to others by feeding on them. This doesn't require any work or magic on the player's part beside perhaps killing a few acolytes or other people who have the hunger so the acolytes can revive them. The priority to do this action is very high, they will carry it out consistently even if the target is far away.

Huh, i did not know they could do that. In that case you don't even need death magic but it would synergize well with someone with blood magic throwing Hunger curses around.

[crawlers]

Nah, it is much more powerful to simply kill a few acolytes and let the new undead vampires spread hunger than what level 3 blood magic is capable of. If anything, the amount of effort needed to get lvl 3 blood magic and to use it repeatedly would distract from the large amount of effort needed to make a religion to be elder aligned and gain the hunter tenant, slowing down the conversion of the religion (thus giving heroes more time to sway it) and the overall plan. The hunger tenant is very powerful and the shadow it creates ignores wards, but its main issue is the time needed to set it up and for it to spread, so distractions are problematic.

[jasta85]

Is there a way to kill a hero (acolyte in this case) without a massive profile/malice spike? I usually only do it with an agent that I consider disposable and who is specifically there for hero killing.

[crawlers]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jasta85:

Is there a way to kill a hero (acolyte in this case) without a massive profile/malice spike? I usually only do it with an agent that I consider disposable and who is specifically there for hero killing.

Ironically, considering I just mentioned level 3 blood magic isn't necessary, actually level 3 blood magic is the way to go on a killing spree through possession. It will generate a one-time menace to cast it, but then the possessed hero can go and kill what you like and will keep all the menace and profile from it, not letting it go to your agents.

[jasta85]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crawlers:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jasta85:

Is there a way to kill a hero (acolyte in this case) without a massive profile/malice spike? I usually only do it with an agent that I consider disposable and who is specifically there for hero killing.

Ironically, considering I just mentioned level 3 blood magic isn't necessary, actually level 3 blood magic is the way to go on a killing spree through possession. It will generate a one-time menace to cast it, but then the possessed hero can go and kill what you like and will keep all the menace and profile from it, not letting it go to your agents.

Ohh, that sounds cool, I haven't dealt with magic much aside from death magic to create shadow spreading ghosts. Gotta try it on my next play through. Can this also be used to create vendettas (hero from some prominent family killing one from another)?

[crawlers]

Yep, it can make vendettas between the possession victim's and the murder victim's houses.

[forrestomintero]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jasta85:

Is there a way to kill a hero (acolyte in this case) without a massive profile/malice spike? I usually only do it with an agent that I consider disposable and who is specifically there for hero killing.

Use a shadow summon if you're playing the snake god. The snake generates power pretty fast even without extraneous power sources like religious tents, so they're relatively cheap, and they have a higher stat cap than normal heroes/agents because they take the current stats of the hero you copy, but start at level 1 with none of the traits. (so if a hero has combat 5, with 8 points of combat stat, the shadow starts with 8 combat stat but can max the trait again, getting it to 13)

[forrestomintero]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jasta85:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crawlers:

Ironically, considering I just mentioned level 3 blood magic isn't necessary, actually level 3 blood magic is the way to go on a killing spree through possession. It will generate a one-time menace to cast it, but then the possessed hero can go and kill what you like and will keep all the menace and profile from it, not letting it go to your agents.

Ohh, that sounds cool, I haven't dealt with magic much aside from death magic to create shadow spreading ghosts. Gotta try it on my next play through. Can this also be used to create vendettas (hero from some prominent family killing one from another)?

Also if you use geomancy you can raise the habitability of the wasteland areas to allow the orcs to expand peacefully if you want to build up their forces enough to be a credible threat.