Likes and Dislikes

[eatonpye]

This is very confusing because of the way the items are phrased. For example, Mage Goofy has been made to like Madness. Therefore, he pushes Bind Tome down to the middle of his list (he was going to start next turn). However, next on his list was Cure Madness, and he did that.
On the other hand, so far anyone made to like shadow seems to avoid pushing it back. How does this actually work, and is it influenced by whether the hero is enshadowed or not?

[Raziel]

Like and dislikes add a fixed modifier to a mission. Like give +20, obsessions +60 and dislikes and hatreds inverse that. The activity with the highest number is what the hero will do. You can see what affects their priority list by hovering over the individual actions. Enshadownment does, indeed, affect certain actions. Especially those that directly oppose you (it counteracts menace, for example)

[eatonpye]

I don't know if that's entirely right. If Bind Tome was at the top of Mage Goofy's list, and Cure Madness was fifth, wouldn't they BOTH move down the list the same amount? How could Cure Madness rise to the top?
As for being enshadowed, the pop up says it reduces their desire to obstruct things based on menace, but what other Hero motivators are there, besides the likes/dislikes?

[Raziel]

That depends on the modifiers. You can see all of the modifiers that are affecting a specific action by hovering over the action in the list when you select a hero. There are multiple modifiers affecting Bind Tome, like/dislike madness only being one of them. So it makes sense for Cure Madness to drop further than Bind Tome.

You can see the total score listed on the action itself (in the bottem right corner of each action)

[Catsim]

It seems some quests don't have modifiers attached to them at all to keep the player from completely locking down heroes with Iastur's powers from doing anything productive.

[The Grand Mugwump]

Originally posted by eatonpye:

This is very confusing because of the way the items are phrased. For example, Mage Goofy has been made to like Madness. Therefore, he pushes Bind Tome down to the middle of his list (he was going to start next turn). However, next on his list was Cure Madness, and he did that.
On the other hand, so far anyone made to like shadow seems to avoid pushing it back. How does this actually work, and is it influenced by whether the hero is enshadowed or not?

Click a hero and mouse over their quests to the right. At the bottom of the description that pops up will be a list of positive and negative tags which could affect their decision if they have them. Likes and dislikes aren't very strong with a +/- 20 and won't mess up their priorities too much. Love and hate will give a +/- 60, which is much stronger and will cause them to ignore almost everything else.

[eatonpye]

Originally posted by The Grand Mugwump:

Originally posted by eatonpye:

This is very confusing because of the way the items are phrased. For example, Mage Goofy has been made to like Madness. Therefore, he pushes Bind Tome down to the middle of his list (he was going to start next turn). However, next on his list was Cure Madness, and he did that.
On the other hand, so far anyone made to like shadow seems to avoid pushing it back. How does this actually work, and is it influenced by whether the hero is enshadowed or not?

Click a hero and mouse over their quests to the right. At the bottom of the description that pops up will be a list of positive and negative tags which could affect their decision if they have them. Likes and dislikes aren't very strong with a +/- 20 and won't mess up their priorities too much. Love and hate will give a +/- 60, which is much stronger and will cause them to ignore almost everything else.

If X =56 and Y = 38 and you subtract 20 from each, X is still greater than Y. I don't see how something in the same category could advance in the list.

[The Grand Mugwump]

If you ignore all the other variables in an over simplification, then you're probably right. Almost all of the quests have different combinations of tags which affect their motivation if there's a quest in particular you want them to do/avoid doing. You could also just kill them, it might be less work at that point than trying to get a perfect combo of likes/dislikes.

There's also the quest target's menace and its distance from the hero (the quest's profile basically). Unless you can get them to love madness, the menace from extremely high madness will still overcome a -20 from liking madness.

[eatonpye]

The hero was on site. The motivation for both challenges was below 60%. The Cure Madness was ranked six places below the Bind Tome in the beginning, but it shot up above five other challenges when the mage got a 20% reduction on madness motivation. That just doesn't make sense, but whatever.

[AnthalasDaelith]

I would like tags highlighted on Guard, Attack, Disrupt. They only show up in the modifiers when a hero has a tag that interact with it.

Danger, combat, cruelty, co-operation, race and religion seems to be ones I see most often. Members of nations, houses, holy orders, family relation and individual likes/dislikes seems to play a role too.

[The Grand Mugwump]

Originally posted by eatonpye:

The hero was on site. The motivation for both challenges was below 60%. The Cure Madness was ranked six places below the Bind Tome in the beginning, but it shot up above five other challenges when the mage got a 20% reduction on madness motivation. That just doesn't make sense, but whatever.

Heroes don't take quests for targets that other heroes are already targeting (except for fighting). It's possible that other heroes took those nearby quests. Those quests then dropped on the priority list because the targets still available were farther away, which creates a much lower motivation due to distance.