Husband and wife cards????

[Phoenix]

As a player of the physical version of this game I am saddened to see the card changes. The art work for the proper cards was very sweet and utterly unoffensive. Having Husband and Wife cards should not be offensive to anyone not is it illegal. In fact this game has been out as a board game for a long while and guess what??? NOBODY ever complains about these innocent cards, they just talk about what a charming game it is.

If there is an issue then why not have an option to toggle Husband an Wife, Wife and wife, Husband and Husband, or any other version that anyone could possibly come up with. I mean they wasted time creating Hunter and Gather why not make other versions?In fact using their own logic is it not offensive not to include the other types???

[Keldroc]

Ah yes, the final stand in the culture war, anthropomorphic mice in a digital version of a board game.

You people need to go outside once in a while.

[smidlee]

A lot deeper , much much deeper than a game.

[Haldurson]

IT doesn't change the game either way. If Direwolf wants to make a change or refuses to make a change, either way, I'm good. It doesn't affect me. In fact, the only people who would be justified in having an opinion are those who are seeking more representation, as how things are portrayed in society, even in a stupid little game, really can affect everyone's worldview. And that's a good thing. Maybe if it does bother you, you may be one of those people who would benefit from a slight change in worldview. Unless you are really triggered by this in which case this won't help you.

[Varkias]

Direwolf didn't make the change. Starling Games did. The cards were included as a bonus in a recent expansion Kickstarter, and are going to be standard in future printings of the board game.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameaccessory/353226/everdell-everyone

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Varkias:

Direwolf didn't make the change. Starling Games did. The cards were included as a bonus in a recent expansion Kickstarter, and are going to be standard in future printings of the board game.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameaccessory/353226/everdell-everyone

In keeping with the new printing of the physical game there should definitely be an option to toggle the cards then because as shown in this link you can write what you want on the cards making it "Everdell for Everyone" Does anyone know if this has actually been implemented in the digital version? Because it should be and could be done easier and neater than writing on a card :)

[lcronovt]

I guess that inspiring virtues like the traditional family is not for "everyone".

[Haldurson]

Originally posted by lcronovt:

I guess that inspiring virtues like the traditional family is not for "everyone".

If you know enough about the world and different cultures, you'd realize that there's no such thing as "a traditional family". It's absurd to do something ONLY because your great grandfather did that, because that's what he believed, instead of acknowledging that not everything that our ancestors did was good (umm... slavery was traditional, racism was traditional, antisemitism was traditional, depending on where you come from, either polyandry or polygamy was traditional, orgies were traditional, genocide was traditional -- traditional is not a good reason to do or believe anything ever).

[smidlee]

The old "divide and conquer" tactic. It works like a charm.

[Jimi]

Originally posted by Haldurson:

Originally posted by lcronovt:

I guess that inspiring virtues like the traditional family is not for "everyone".

If you know enough about the world and different cultures, you'd realize that there's no such thing as "a traditional family". It's absurd to do something ONLY because your great grandfather did that, because that's what he believed.

It has nothing to do with 'believe'

It's called n a t u r e ...

[Haldurson]

So mice get married in nature? There's nothing natural about gathering? I get that change makes you uncomfortable. But it's good for the soul. There's nothing offensive about the changes, and they, in fact, got you and everyone else to actually think about the way the world is. And that's a good thing. Was it cute that you had a husband and wife mouse? Sure. But there was nothing natural about that. The world is not the same and blinding yourself to that fact doesn't change it.

[Jimi]

'so Mice can get married in nature?' Are you sure you want to play that game? =>
'There's nothing offensive about 'the changes?' Fine by me but apparently the way things were and have been for hundred of years are somehow offensive??

Efin, I'm not talking about marriage, I'm talking about the nature of man/woman coming together and having babies. You know, for the survival of the species. Nature is real. The fact that people like to wrap it up in little rituals is irrelevant. Your arrogant assumptions that others are blind, uncomfortable, offended etc are quite astounding sir. Have a good weekend, I'm off to play.

[Jimi]

erm That's what I said? .....

[Haldurson]

There's also homosexuality in nature. People are born with different combinations of X and Y Chromosomes in nature and can have a variety of different physical characteristics... all in nature. Men live together in the world, we have communes and Kibbutzes where children are cared for by the community. There is no one single way that people live or relate to one another. There's not just 2 different genders. Love happens regardless. But there's actually no indication that those critters that they used as a substitution for the husband and wife have any kind of social or sexual relationship, other than a work relationship. I'm not sure there's even an indication of their gender. And that's ok.

The only problem comes when people feel like they are ignored, when people pretend they don't exist. That's probably why there was a change. And you don't have to like that change. But at least understand that there is no nefarious motive for that, that they are not trying to be hurtful -- in fact it's just the opposite. So don't like it if you want to. But please at least have some tolerance for it. Because it all comes from a good place.

[Tweeshi]

The changing of the names on these cards brings me SO MUCH JOY! This is my favorite board game, and I had one complaint with it, which was minor, and that was I wish these cards had different names. I would love to say monogamy is overpowered in this game. As a queer/poly person and a child of a horrible marriage that ended in divorce, monogamy would not be a part of my imagined fantasy forest critter utopia land. And especially since monogamy is not something that comes up in nature (except rhesus monkeys), it really doesn't make sense to project monogamy onto these creatures. Not that is has to - its all fantasy, but I think it's silly how much we project heterosexual monogamy and marriage when and where it is not applicable in real life. See the book "Sex at Dawn" for examples of this.

Anyway I literally would take the cards out of the deck (when I played solo) cus they rubbed me the wrong way, since it doesnt not reflect my life, values or those of what i would imagine a forest creature world to be like. I did not take the cards out with anger or but spite. Rather, it was fun - ooo new house rule that bring me more personal enjoyment!

I am apparently the person this change is for and I couldn't be happier about it. I'm sure there are many other players who feel the same way.

The fact that some people are upset is funny to me. I'm sorry if takes away from your enjoyment of the game to not have the words husband and wives on the card. I was still able to enjoy the game when they were there. But now I enjoy it more with gather/harvester.

If you were wondering why someone might care I hope that helps.

[Dire Wolf CS]

Hi there,

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. This change to the Husband and Wife element was made to be consistent with the upcoming third edition printing of the tabletop game Everdell.

If you have any additional feedback, thoughts, or run into any issues, please don't hesitate to reach out to [e-mail]