not sure about this one

[bq]

As the name of the games suggests you have a choice between Innocence and Money. But you don't since Jennifer automatically agrees to do massages. This is a weird one for me, i don't know what to think.

[NemesisofdaCancelPigs]

um, u already past the point of no return.
u made your choice no backin out now!

[LoganAlpha30]

Well from the very beginning of the game we're told and shown that the main character is far more into sex and such than her boyfriend, he wants to wait until marriage, but the main character admits to being anything but a virgin. So she's not as innocent as she may seem...

[Luckram]

I don't know how you played. I wanted to make her be the more sl*t girl in the world, so I taked all the "money" decisions. I don't know if taking the "Innocence" decisions, will close the masseuse job path. It should close that path if you choose to be a good girl, because it doesn't make sense, an innocent girl wouldn't take a se*ual job, but who knows.

[davidb11]

UNless they're happy ending massages, they shouldn't be sexualized that much. :P

[Ydyp]

The girls do explain that she can just go for the massage only without the touching, but that will not give the tips or favor of the customers. Same with the coffee shop you can decide not to steal and must earn your 20 per shift of 50 for the whole day. As well as with Fred you can tell him to stop and that probably will also close that path. So far the choices are for you if you want to keep that innocence at full 1000 or allow the sexual approaches and get more money that way.

[The Dude]

I don't know if "innocence" is the correct word to use in the title.

For me it should be a choice between 1) maintaining self respect and the respect of others while still having a healthy sex life and 2) doing anything for money at the cost of being degraded and humiliated resulting in a lack of self respect and respect from others.

Choices should add or subtract from the "innocence" meter in the top upper right screen.
The availability of choices (and scenes) should be dependent upon where one falls on the meter.
It should be worth replaying as someone on the far left, the middle, or the far right of the meter.

Anyway, this looks to have potential; but seems like it's around 5% complete at best right now.

[davidb11]

Originally posted by The Dude:

I don't know if "innocence" is the correct word to use in the title.

For me it should be a choice between 1) maintaining self respect and the respect of others while still having a healthy sex life and 2) doing anything for money at the cost of being degraded and humiliated resulting in a lack of self respect and respect from others.

Choices should add or subtract from the "innocence" meter in the top upper right screen.
The availability of choices (and scenes) should be dependent upon where one falls on the meter.
It should be worth replaying as someone on the far left, the middle, or the far right of the meter.

Anyway, this looks to have potential; but seems like it's around 5% complete at best right now.

I don't think you got the point of the game if you think innocence isn't something the title should have.
Sigh.

Also, how in the world did you get degraded and humiliated out of this?!

[The Dude]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Originally posted by The Dude:

I don't know if "innocence" is the correct word to use in the title.

For me it should be a choice between 1) maintaining self respect and the respect of others while still having a healthy sex life and 2) doing anything for money at the cost of being degraded and humiliated resulting in a lack of self respect and respect from others.

Choices should add or subtract from the "innocence" meter in the top upper right screen.
The availability of choices (and scenes) should be dependent upon where one falls on the meter.
It should be worth replaying as someone on the far left, the middle, or the far right of the meter.

Anyway, this looks to have potential; but seems like it's around 5% complete at best right now.

I don't think you got the point of the game if you think innocence isn't something the title should have.
Sigh.

Also, how in the world did you get degraded and humiliated out of this?!

IMO, Innocence would mean no carnal knowledge. No sex. What would be the point of that?

And as to your second question, "money"... sex for money. This is only the prelude. What do you think this girl is going to do for "money". Sex for money is degrading. There is no telling how far the girl will go or what she will eventually be willing to do for money.

[davidb11]

Innocence is a multi-layered thing and has nothing to do with naivety.
Which would be a complete lack of all knowledge regarding around sex.

Innocence would mean that you don't know much about sex beyond the very basics.
So, her corruption on her innocence means to make her learn more about sexual activity.

[LoganAlpha30]

Well we know that she's certainly not a virgin before she ever makes the move to the big city at the start of the game, mostly because she openly admits to it and that if not for her boyfriend's beliefs they would have been having sex already as she's getting frustrated by their lack of sex, she's not terribly innocent but not a slut. So just how "innocent" she actually is at the beginning of the game is open to debate...

[Ydyp]

Originally posted by LoganAlpha30:

Well we know that she's certainly not a virgin before she ever makes the move to the big city at the start of the game, mostly because she openly admits to it and that if not for her boyfriend's beliefs they would have been having sex already as she's getting frustrated by their lack of sex, she's not terribly innocent but not a slut. So just how "innocent" she actually is at the beginning of the game is open to debate...

I would say more pure then innocent for sure as well. As how pure can she keep the relationship with her boyfriend without falling for the big bucks.. Though so far everything inn this game points to just go for the money as staying pure will not give you any rewards at this point, this can perhaps change when the rest of the progression is implemented.

[DrNewcenstein]

"Innocence" denotes "virginity". She admits she had sex with her previous boyfriend.

Not sure about the "purity" angle either. Maybe "faithful" in regards to her current relationship.

She is portrayed as being naive, particularly when Fred's copping a feel. She passes it off as "some strange custom", as if she happened upon a complete cultural shift where instead of shaking someone's hand you fondle their private bits.

Maybe "Naughty vs Nice" would be more apt. Nice girls still do it, just not with everyone they meet. I guess they could have gone with "Wh0re or B!tch", where one will do anyone, and the other will do anyone but you. Maybe that'll be the sequel.

Regarding the "sex for money is degrading" issue, that's the perspective the character is given, and of course is based on long-held societal stigma. Doesn't matter what the popular view is IRL these days.

[davidb11]

Innocence does not mean virginity here.
That's not how it works.
Sigh.

Innocence is something completely different, and yes, I know people love to conflate the two, but that's not how it works.
You don't have to be a virgin to be innocent!

To be innocent means you don't know all the crazy stuff involved in sex. All the different kinks. All that.
And more.

[DrNewcenstein]

Meh, not seeing it. Just because she doesn't take it in the pooper doesn't mean she doesn't know about taking it in the pooper. Maybe I'm reading the dialogue wrong, but she doesn't seem like she's as slow as Forrest Gump, despite the faux pas of the thigh rub cultural greeting. I imagine someone that dumb couldn't dress or feed themselves.

But, I've been mistaken before. There is a clear language barrier involved, after all.

[davidb11]

I'm so confused.
You literally said the opposite of what you just said just now.

Hence my message.
Wat?