Character creation

[Cryemore]

The playable female avatar in the demo isn't appealing at all. Everything about her is masculine enough that she should be sporting a full beard. She could donate testosterone.

Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like what I played, as did my wife. The game itself is fun. We will probably purchase it when it releases.

We just don't get how the recent trend of the past several years of portraying strong women in games means making them manlier than most men. If anything it's so overused and cliche at this point that it's a parody.

Just to get ahead of the inevitable comments about incels needing every female in video games to be sex symbols etc, etc, a discussion with my wife is what inspired this post. She tried the demo first and was disappointed with the character's design. As shocking as it may seem, it appears that women prefer their female characters to be feminine.

We've discussed this in the past, at length. She believes it is far more inspiring to see a female character that is beautiful, strong, brave and heroic in spite of their femininity. In fact, she feels insulted that most games of today seem to insinuate that in order to be strong, female characters need to be as masculine as possible. I didn't even notice this trend until she pointed it out a few years ago.

I can completely understand where she's coming from. This problem isn't inherent to video games alone, of course, but all modern media. If the media contains a strong female lead they will inevitably be masculine to the point of caricature, or obese and obscenely ugly. They either have a jawline that could cut glass, bulging muscles that would be impossible for a woman without steroids and a face that only a blind mother could love, or they could cosplay as the michelin man and have a face that only a blind mother could love.

I'm not here to start a debate. Honestly, I'm mostly just venting. My wife and I love playing games together. It's just disheartening to see her so disillusioned and let down by the female characters in most games. In her words, it's extremely off putting being forced to play as an ugly man masquerading as a woman whenever she plays a game.

I'm not calling out this game in particular, this just happened to be the most recent game that we discussed. In fact, I'm not really even here to discuss the topic at all and the discussion board for this game is hardly the correct venue. I just wanted to put her views on the situation out there somewhere. This just seemed to be a decent enough place to do so.

We're both in our 40's now. Maybe we're just too old for whatever weird direction modern media is heading. If anyone actually reads this entire post I'm sorry for my rant. It just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks to see my wife's enthusiasm for our favorite hobby dampened to such a degree. We've enjoyed playing games together since before we were married, it's probably not a stretch to say that gaming is one of the main reasons we've maintained such a good relationship. Hell, we were friends as children and played the nes together in the 80's.

Rant over, have a great day.

[Master Blaster]

Publicado originalmente por Terror:

get used to it, unless it's an asian game you won't see any beautiful women anymore

You hit the nail on the head, many many many many developers are too scared of offending a small minority mostly non players, Stellar Blade and soon to release Wuchang: Fallen Feathers we prove that point further.

[Gabe a very good man]

Publicado originalmente por Abu Hajaar:

ignore this ♥♥♥♥ thread, block all mongols and move on with your lives

No (bugs bunny meme).

[cmcho]

I think Rabi Ribi has what you're looking for

[[:-:]]

Publicado originalmente por Full_Casual_Player:

Publicado originalmente por Lil Ravn:

I like manly women

But I don't. So why not to make happy both of us making one sound and face of woman for me (feminine) and one for you (manly)? Same for male character.

Budget?

[COOLSKELETON95]

do you guys even like video games or just complaining about them this ♥♥♥♥ is just exhausting

[Panos]

Publicado originalmente por Abu Hajaar:

ignore this ♥♥♥♥ thread, block all mongols and move on with your lives

Good call. I'll start with you.

[Panos]

Publicado originalmente por Evil Meowth:

Publicado originalmente por DestroyeR616:

The opinion of a character with level 5 Steam and zero games is very important to everyone (no). Don't have enough imagination to create your own character? Don't play games. Go live your life in your own country

Your stupidity is astounding. First you try to shame me for not playing enough (being 5 lvl) and then you tell me to go and then to go and live my life...in my own country, whatever the fak that means papasmurf.
And about imagination, like I already said if if wanted to use it I'd read a book, not play a video game you mongoloid.

The only one acting stupid here is you.
I hope you'll eventually find happiness in your life. You seem to need it so bad.

[just.dont.do.it]

Oh but it is very simple matter.
They simply have only 1 set of rigging and animations done. And it's a male one. The female character is only a model swap.

[Sgt.JESUS]

Publicado originalmente por just.dont.do.it:

Oh but it is very simple matter.
They simply have only 1 set of rigging and animations done. And it's a male one. The female character is only a model swap.

So you are basically saying the devs should waste their time making another set of animations just so your female looks more feminine while using the same weapons and armor as the male character? And since they were both trained by the same faction of zealots, somehow she is fighting diferent, is she not bouncy enough?

[just.dont.do.it]

Publicado originalmente por Sgt.JESUS:

So you are basically saying the devs should waste their time making another set of animations just so your female looks more feminine while using the same weapons and armor as the male character?

I am basically saying there's one set of animations.

You're basically saying some crap.

[Nhisso]

Publicado originalmente por Evil Meowth:

Publicado originalmente por DestroyeR616:

The opinion of a character with level 5 Steam and zero games is very important to everyone (no). Don't have enough imagination to create your own character? Don't play games. Go live your life in your own country

Your stupidity is astounding. First you try to shame me for not playing enough (being 5 lvl) and then you tell me to go and then to go and live my life...in my own country, whatever the fak that means papasmurf.
And about imagination, like I already said if if wanted to use it I'd read a book, not play a video game you mongoloid.

No, you're wrong in every way. Imagine being such a deplorable vile person you think that if you dont like an option, others shouldnt have it either. Maybe dont project so hard on the whole "dont have a wife and kids" things, it was really pathetic.

[Kiju-Beira]

No, we "basically saying" if the devs can't (because of budget and little staff, not lack of good will) make assets for men AND women and women looked like though guys with a girl's voice, they shouldn't bother using a character's creator ... One male character or one female, (since it's a witch), with difference in function of the class, and that's all ... With the good numbre of classes, skills and playstyles, there is no point for that ...

[Sigil]

i watch this game playthrough and the first 2 female characters the game introduce is ugly wtf.
the first one is witch abomination and the second one is female but fake-male and its not handsome fake-male too.
i play the game to escape ugly reality and these games introducing even more ugly characters than reality.
this game gameplay looks interesting but i wont torture myself buying and playing a game with characters which unpleasant to look.

[Evil Meowth]

Publicado originalmente por Panos:

Publicado originalmente por Evil Meowth:

Your stupidity is astounding. First you try to shame me for not playing enough (being 5 lvl) and then you tell me to go and then to go and live my life...in my own country, whatever the fak that means papasmurf.
And about imagination, like I already said if if wanted to use it I'd read a book, not play a video game you mongoloid.

The only one acting stupid here is you.
I hope you'll eventually find happiness in your life. You seem to need it so bad.

That sounded like, 'my daddy is stronger than yours"

[Evil Meowth]

Publicado originalmente por Nhisso:

Publicado originalmente por Evil Meowth:

Your stupidity is astounding. First you try to shame me for not playing enough (being 5 lvl) and then you tell me to go and then to go and live my life...in my own country, whatever the fak that means papasmurf.
And about imagination, like I already said if if wanted to use it I'd read a book, not play a video game you mongoloid.

No, you're wrong in every way. Imagine being such a deplorable vile person you think that if you dont like an option, others shouldnt have it either. Maybe dont project so hard on the whole "dont have a wife and kids" things, it was really pathetic.

Wrong in everyway? Which way is that? Do you even understand what I'm saying? I doubt cause that requires brain cells which you lack cause you are a degenerate. You can't even rebuke what I said with logic cause there is none, you just didnt like what i said, but instead of coming at me with logic you come at me like a angry feminist.
Also , if an option you have affects me, ofcourse I'm gonna attack you with everything I have, it's common sense. There is no mercy. Id eat you alive over a cookie, let along a game.

And on the last part, 'projecting' , yea you got me, bullseye. I bet you are fat and live in your mom's basement! I guess that sounds about the same?