Ridiculous chances

[Fenrir]

This is now 5 runs in short succession I've happened to roll a bunch of Jerboa's early on into having them available, and suddenly NEVER seeing apples or mice. It's actually incredible how small of a chance this is to happen and somehow has happened almost every single time I run a Jerboa. It's really really really really really really really really cool.

Uninstalling

[Eulenspiegel_Narrenkaiser]

Jerboas are absolutely terrible. The odds of getting mice and apples isn't good enough to make them worthwhile to begin whatsoever. The only fringe case is if you already happen to have a starfish driving your scaling and you try a jerboa as an extra potential boost off of selling mice. Exhibit A of crying about RNG instead of blaming yourself for taking a terrible pet.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by Eulenspiegel_Narrenkaiser:

Jerboas are absolutely terrible. The odds of getting mice and apples isn't good enough to make them worthwhile to begin whatsoever. The only fringe case is if you already happen to have a starfish driving your scaling and you try a jerboa as an extra potential boost off of selling mice. Exhibit A of crying about RNG instead of blaming yourself for taking a terrible pet.

It's a usable pet lmao. I run it + husky + giraffe when I want to go that route and scale fast. But, if you want to turn hostile then I have no reason to expect any sort of worthwhile comments from you whatsoever if you can't differentiate. Almost any pet is viable and capable of winning. Never did I say I based all of my scaling on the Jerboas or did I say I think it's the best pet in the game. I just happened to get it early on level up so I took it, but not seeing triggers for it whatsoever over a period of turns (the Jerboa got scaled by others so I had no reason to sell it since it was big) is insane.

[Eulenspiegel_Narrenkaiser]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Originally posted by Eulenspiegel_Narrenkaiser:

Jerboas are absolutely terrible. The odds of getting mice and apples isn't good enough to make them worthwhile to begin whatsoever. The only fringe case is if you already happen to have a starfish driving your scaling and you try a jerboa as an extra potential boost off of selling mice. Exhibit A of crying about RNG instead of blaming yourself for taking a terrible pet.

It's a usable pet lmao. I run it + husky + giraffe when I want to go that route and scale fast. But, if you want to turn hostile then I have no reason to expect any sort of worthwhile comments from you whatsoever if you can't differentiate. Almost any pet is viable and capable of winning. Never did I say I based all of my scaling on the Jerboas or did I say I think it's the best pet in the game. I just happened to get it early on level up so I took it, but not seeing triggers for it whatsoever over a period of turns (the Jerboa got scaled by others so I had no reason to sell it since it was big) is insane.

Except it isn't "insane". The odds of seeing seven consecutive shops without a mouse at turn 7 (assuming no freezing) is 50%. Odds of no apple is worse, but again, that's assuming you're not doing the things you should be doing at that point, which is freezing and buying other pets/items. So from my perspective, I'm not rolling 7+ times on turn seven more often than not, which makes the odds of seeing apple related foods even less. If you got it turn five or six, that does skew the numbers, but jerboa is almost a never take unless I see existing apples or mice in the shop when it appears AND have no better alternative AND have a team where the buffs I'm distributing from my weak jerboa aren't going to be soon pivoted off of.

And sure, you can win with any pet, but that doesn't make them viable. In an infinite number of possible shops, there will always be a scenario where the jerboa makes sense, but if that number is 0.5% of the time, and people think the number is 5% of the time, 90% of the time those people are going to be making a bad decision. So usable is a very relative term. It's certainly in the lowest tier of pets and an absolute almost never take.

Btw, using it and husky and giraffe doesn't quite make sense to me because you're committing to a strategy before you even know if you'll get a husky a minimum of two turns later. It's terribly tough to run a team with two absolute weakinglings in jerboa and giraffe early on since their stats are so low. So I guess all that to say is, yes you did have bad luck. It's not so bad I'd call it insane, but it's unlikely. I've missed 95% shots in XCOM and never been like "this is insane, time to uninstall". But even if you had gotten an apple or two, the jerboa is still usually a bad take.

[GottaGoFaaaaast]

lol @ "uninstalling". It's like playing cards. Sometimes you are dealt a bad hand. But you can make a good hand useless if you don't play it right.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by GottaGoFaaaaast:

lol @ "uninstalling". It's like playing cards. Sometimes you are dealt a bad hand. But you can make a good hand useless if you don't play it right.

i felt like the /s didn't need to be typed but that part was /s lmao

[GottaGoFaaaaast]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Originally posted by GottaGoFaaaaast:

lol @ "uninstalling". It's like playing cards. Sometimes you are dealt a bad hand. But you can make a good hand useless if you don't play it right.

i felt like the /s didn't need to be typed but that part was /s lmao

My faith in humanity has been restored.