This game is carbon copy of MM =(

[Gorlos]

....I'm disappointed.

[Andy1966uk2]

if only it were that good ;)

[shuuby]

With better graphics and worse game play

[Hadoken]

Originally posted by shuuby:

With better graphics and worse game play

+1 to this! I actually can't quite believe a company like Frontier could think it's OK to release a game like this when it's barely any different than MM but worse at the same time.

[Khotec]

After trying F1 Manager 2022 I will no longer return to MM, even if they pay me to play it.

I'll explain why.

Motorsport Manager is a fantasy game, unlicensed, poorly balanced, broken in many of its parts and worse yet, abandoned. If you look at the Steam threads on Motorsport Manager, you will see hundreds of complaints, issues, bugs, crashes, and performance leaks in a 2D game.

Motorsport Manager has 2D graphics and surprisingly high CPU temperatures. Any triple AAA works better than Motosport Manager. Lags, crashes, black screens, endless load times, long saves, endless transitions, and lots of bugs for a game that's been years in the making. I repeat, the performance of Motorsport Manager is terrible even for powerful computers. If you want to burn your PC, Motors Manager is for you.

The developers tried to introduce some interesting personality mechanics, but they're broken, with drivers complaining about having a worse car than their partner, when in fact they have much better parts mounted.

It is a game full of female pilots in all categories. Realism is not exactly the strong point of Motorsport Manager. I repeat, MM is pure fantasy.

The game ignores the huge level difference between the pilots. It doesn't matter if you have a 5-star with car 1 and a 2-star with car 2, because in the end it all comes down to a lottery of similar times between both drivers. Your 5 star driver will be beaten by his rookie teammate even if your main driver has a better car. This happens systematically in more than 50% of the sessions. In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing.

You like bugs, Motorsport Manager has a wide set of graphical bugs in animations. static wheels, lightning jumps in overtaking, bugs in the pits, absurd loss of positions and supersonic overtaking with the safety car on the track. A whole fantasy lottery.

Major mods for PlaySport game like F1 Manager and Fire Fantasy are broken in point system and even worse they break your progression after 1, 2, 3 and if you are lucky 4 seasons. If you like to spend hours on a progression game, mods will break your save games.

Another big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning, without opponents and without any challenge.

Motorsport Manager was a game with good intentions, but after so many years it is still a product of broken fantasy.

F1 Manager 2022 with all its bugs is a thousand times better.

[danemcgowan]

Originally posted by lagunaz:

After trying F1 Manager 2022 I will no longer return to MM, even if they pay me to play it.

I'll explain why.

Motorsport Manager is a fantasy game, unlicensed, poorly balanced, broken in many of its parts and worse yet, abandoned. If you look at the Steam threads on Motorsport Manager, you will see hundreds of complaints, issues, bugs, crashes, and performance leaks in a 2D game.

Motorsport Manager has 2D graphics and surprisingly high CPU temperatures. Any triple AAA works better than Motosport Manager. Lags, crashes, black screens, endless load times, long saves, endless transitions, and lots of bugs for a game that's been years in the making. I repeat, the performance of Motorsport Manager is terrible even for powerful computers. If you want to burn your PC, Motors Manager is for you.

The developers tried to introduce some interesting personality mechanics, but they're broken, with drivers complaining about having a worse car than their partner, when in fact they have much better parts mounted.

It is a game full of female pilots in all categories. Realism is not exactly the strong point of Motorsport Manager. I repeat, MM is pure fantasy.

The game ignores the huge level difference between the pilots. It doesn't matter if you have a 5-star with car 1 and a 2-star with car 2, because in the end it all comes down to a lottery of similar times between both drivers. Your 5 star driver will be beaten by his rookie teammate even if your main driver has a better car. This happens systematically in more than 50% of the sessions. In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing.

You like bugs, Motorsport Manager has a wide set of graphical bugs in animations. static wheels, lightning jumps in overtaking, bugs in the pits, absurd loss of positions and supersonic overtaking with the safety car on the track. A whole fantasy lottery.

Major mods for PlaySport game like F1 Manager and Fire Fantasy are broken in point system and even worse they break your progression after 1, 2, 3 and if you are lucky 4 seasons. If you like to spend hours on a progression game, mods will break your save games.

Another big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning, without opponents and without any challenge.

Motorsport Manager was a game with good intentions, but after so many years it is still a product of broken fantasy.

F1 Manager 2022 with all its bugs is a thousand times better.

You repeat this in many discussions, sadly.
It's your poor opinion, in some parts i can agree, others are completely not true. Especially when you write "big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning" sounds like a joke when at the moment in F1 Manager with a Williams you can easily win races in the second season. You speak about realism...what about the mini-game? What about the driver negotiations?
And if you approve the DRS issue and the comic problems when there's a safety car...well it's difficult to have a sincere dialogue.

[Hadoken]

Originally posted by danemcgowan:

Originally posted by lagunaz:

After trying F1 Manager 2022 I will no longer return to MM, even if they pay me to play it.

I'll explain why.

Motorsport Manager is a fantasy game, unlicensed, poorly balanced, broken in many of its parts and worse yet, abandoned. If you look at the Steam threads on Motorsport Manager, you will see hundreds of complaints, issues, bugs, crashes, and performance leaks in a 2D game.

Motorsport Manager has 2D graphics and surprisingly high CPU temperatures. Any triple AAA works better than Motosport Manager. Lags, crashes, black screens, endless load times, long saves, endless transitions, and lots of bugs for a game that's been years in the making. I repeat, the performance of Motorsport Manager is terrible even for powerful computers. If you want to burn your PC, Motors Manager is for you.

The developers tried to introduce some interesting personality mechanics, but they're broken, with drivers complaining about having a worse car than their partner, when in fact they have much better parts mounted.

It is a game full of female pilots in all categories. Realism is not exactly the strong point of Motorsport Manager. I repeat, MM is pure fantasy.

The game ignores the huge level difference between the pilots. It doesn't matter if you have a 5-star with car 1 and a 2-star with car 2, because in the end it all comes down to a lottery of similar times between both drivers. Your 5 star driver will be beaten by his rookie teammate even if your main driver has a better car. This happens systematically in more than 50% of the sessions. In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing.

You like bugs, Motorsport Manager has a wide set of graphical bugs in animations. static wheels, lightning jumps in overtaking, bugs in the pits, absurd loss of positions and supersonic overtaking with the safety car on the track. A whole fantasy lottery.

Major mods for PlaySport game like F1 Manager and Fire Fantasy are broken in point system and even worse they break your progression after 1, 2, 3 and if you are lucky 4 seasons. If you like to spend hours on a progression game, mods will break your save games.

Another big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning, without opponents and without any challenge.

Motorsport Manager was a game with good intentions, but after so many years it is still a product of broken fantasy.

F1 Manager 2022 with all its bugs is a thousand times better.

You repeat this in many discussions, sadly.
It's your poor opinion, in some parts i can agree, others are completely not true. Especially when you write "big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning" sounds like a joke when at the moment in F1 Manager with a Williams you can easily win races in the second season. You speak about realism...what about the mini-game? What about the driver negotiations?
And if you approve the DRS issue and the comic problems when there's a safety car...well it's difficult to have a sincere dialogue.

You sound like an advertisement for F1 Manager. While some points are true you have vastly over exaggerated a lot of them to try and prove your point. I mean female drivers is an issue??? Also the bugs, lag, loading times, high cpu temp... never noticed any kind of issues like that in my 300 hours. The 2D view (isometric view really!) i actually miss because you can see a whole lot more of the map/cars than the 3D view in F1M.

"In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing." - Completely untrue! If you had played the game, the driver stats mean everything and better driver stats always mean better drivers. Sure drivers with lower stats do sometimes have good races (just like real life) but rarely consistently beat the better #1 driver.

You also forgot to mention MM is fun and felt like the decisions you made have an impact on the race and your team. F1 Manager feels completely devoid of this.

[LIBER-TEA!!!!!]

Originally posted by lagunaz:

After trying F1 Manager 2022 I will no longer return to MM, even if they pay me to play it.

I'll explain why.

Motorsport Manager is a fantasy game, unlicensed, poorly balanced, broken in many of its parts and worse yet, abandoned. If you look at the Steam threads on Motorsport Manager, you will see hundreds of complaints, issues, bugs, crashes, and performance leaks in a 2D game.

Motorsport Manager has 2D graphics and surprisingly high CPU temperatures. Any triple AAA works better than Motosport Manager. Lags, crashes, black screens, endless load times, long saves, endless transitions, and lots of bugs for a game that's been years in the making. I repeat, the performance of Motorsport Manager is terrible even for powerful computers. If you want to burn your PC, Motors Manager is for you.

The developers tried to introduce some interesting personality mechanics, but they're broken, with drivers complaining about having a worse car than their partner, when in fact they have much better parts mounted.

It is a game full of female pilots in all categories. Realism is not exactly the strong point of Motorsport Manager. I repeat, MM is pure fantasy.

The game ignores the huge level difference between the pilots. It doesn't matter if you have a 5-star with car 1 and a 2-star with car 2, because in the end it all comes down to a lottery of similar times between both drivers. Your 5 star driver will be beaten by his rookie teammate even if your main driver has a better car. This happens systematically in more than 50% of the sessions. In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing.

You like bugs, Motorsport Manager has a wide set of graphical bugs in animations. static wheels, lightning jumps in overtaking, bugs in the pits, absurd loss of positions and supersonic overtaking with the safety car on the track. A whole fantasy lottery.

Major mods for PlaySport game like F1 Manager and Fire Fantasy are broken in point system and even worse they break your progression after 1, 2, 3 and if you are lucky 4 seasons. If you like to spend hours on a progression game, mods will break your save games.

Another big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning, without opponents and without any challenge.

Motorsport Manager was a game with good intentions, but after so many years it is still a product of broken fantasy.

F1 Manager 2022 with all its bugs is a thousand times better.

TLDR

[Khotec]

Originally posted by Hadoken:

Originally posted by danemcgowan:

You repeat this in many discussions, sadly.
It's your poor opinion, in some parts i can agree, others are completely not true. Especially when you write "big problem with Motorsport Manager is the loss of difficulty after the first season. You build your perfect vehicle and you are always winning" sounds like a joke when at the moment in F1 Manager with a Williams you can easily win races in the second season. You speak about realism...what about the mini-game? What about the driver negotiations?
And if you approve the DRS issue and the comic problems when there's a safety car...well it's difficult to have a sincere dialogue.

You sound like an advertisement for F1 Manager. While some points are true you have vastly over exaggerated a lot of them to try and prove your point. I mean female drivers is an issue??? Also the bugs, lag, loading times, high cpu temp... never noticed any kind of issues like that in my 300 hours. The 2D view (isometric view really!) i actually miss because you can see a whole lot more of the map/cars than the 3D view in F1M.

"In Motorsport Manager the quality and experience of the driver are worth nothing." - Completely untrue! If you had played the game, the driver stats mean everything and better driver stats always mean better drivers. Sure drivers with lower stats do sometimes have good races (just like real life) but rarely consistently beat the better #1 driver.

You also forgot to mention MM is fun and felt like the decisions you made have an impact on the race and your team. F1 Manager feels completely devoid of this.

In my comment I have pointed out only a few shortcomings of MM. Separately, any of these problems is already a big obstacle to playing MM in the medium and long term. However, with F1 Manager 2022 bugs I can really enjoy and feel closely the sensations of managing a real F1 team.

Playing MM without mods is really bland and extremely easy in season 2. Playing MM with the FF mod and selecting the worst team in F1, you are already guaranteed all the victories for the second season in the highest category. In fact, the Fire Fantasy 2022 mod was developed to increase the difficulty level of MM, but unfortunately it corrupts your save games. What is left then?

It seems very dirty to me to encourage people to buy an old and obviously abandoned game, in which they will never find the features that F1 Manager 2022 already offers. Why lie to people?

I don't want to be tragic, but I am one of the users who bought MM to play it with Mods, since the vanilla game is pure fantasy, with drivers, engineers, cars, categories, circuits and absolutely everything fictitious. Worse still, plagued by female pilots in all categories.

You ask me what is the problem with women?

I have no problem with any genre, but I am looking for F1 Manager 2022 for its license, for its real drivers, engineers, cars, teams and circuits. If F1 Manager 2022 was a copy of MM in that aspect, I would not even have bought the game, because for that I already have MM. Do you understand now?

You have to be very dirty to politicize gender issues in this thread. Very opportunistic of you, sir.

My comment is dedicated to people who lie and try to cheat people. To say that F1 Manager 2022 is a carbon copy of Motorsport Manager is lying with a strange purpose.

With its hasty exit due to the F1 license and with all the bugs included, F1 manager 2022 is a magnificent game, with great potential and, without a doubt, a benchmark for the future of F1 manager games. Now the companies that intend to make an F1 manager will have to improve and surpass this product. And as long as there is no such game, the comments and criticisms about the hypothetical perfect game are only mere idealizations, since the perfect game does not exist and perhaps your perfect game does not fit with the rest of the personal idealizations in each player.

I myself have been critical of F1 Manager 2022, but I am enjoying this game more than any other and I am also seeing how it improves overcoming certain bugs.

[nh2008]

MM is an arcade game for arcade players. From the drivers' whimpers to the difficulty levels you can't count the arcade elemenets, Lagunaz said enough.
My question is: How many F1 or Premier League have we in the real world? I think 3. An easy one, a medium one, plus a hard one. Right? (LOL)

Imaginary discussion between the box and the driver in MM.
Driver: I have an engine failure. Can you fix it?
Box: Yes, we can. Box, box
Driver: Copy, box box.
LOL

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to judge the gamers. We have different persons. As I see, the arcade gamers like the simple games with fun. Easy and throwaway. Not realistic? Who cares? They don't like difficulties, challenges, because they don't want to work with that. Fair enough. Why don't you play with MM?

To be honest the F1M 22 also contains arcade elements. So there is a possibility that Frontier choose this way. Hopefully it won't be the case.

[Blackfyre]

Originally posted by nh2008:

MM is an arcade game for arcade players. From the drivers' whimpers to the difficulty levels you can't count the arcade elemenets, Lagunaz said enough.
My question is: How many F1 or Premier League have we in the real world? I think 3. An easy one, a medium one, plus a hard one. Right? (LOL)

Imaginary discussion between the box and the driver in MM.
Driver: I have an engine failure. Can you fix it?
Box: Yes, we can. Box, box
Driver: Copy, box box.
LOL

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to judge the gamers. We have different persons. As I see, the arcade gamers like the simple games with fun. Easy and throwaway. Not realistic? Who cares? They don't like difficulties, challenges, because they don't want to work with that. Fair enough. Why don't you play with MM?

To be honest the F1M 22 also contains arcade elements. So there is a possibility that Frontier choose this way. Hopefully it won't be the case.

I agree fixing engines is not realistic, but neither is not having a dry line during damp weather, being able to change your Power Train after any session regardless of the amount of time available, taking 13-18 laps to get any set up info, having no telemetry, having set up make no difference to lap times or tyre wear..
Mate, I could write another 20 down.

Stop defending mediocrity, it's not great, it's not even good yet. It's well below par at the moment and needs to improve before it dies.

[Gorlos]

Well in MM cars teleport more often, but this game doesn't even have a difficulty settings.


bugs

Faster cars cannot underlap because of a blue flag. Hard tyres are only for the practise sessions.......

[danemcgowan]

Originally posted by lagunaz:

Originally posted by Hadoken:

Playing MM without mods is really bland and extremely easy in season 2.

I dont' wanna discuss about the other considerations, its your personal opinion about the two games and it's ok, but this sentence is completely untrue especially in comparison to a game, F1 Manager 22 that has just one category and less variety and at the moment is 10 times easier than MM in the second season and full of bugs. I think you are too much obsessed by the licenses, but the gameplay is also important, is the real core of a videogame.

[Zerocool]

No one cares, You fanboys need to stop crying. I bought both and MM is ok but I barely play it. The race action is limited and I have the f1 22 mod, graphics and camera add ons. Its a good game but F1 race is so lifelike its infinitely a better experience. After updates and patches it will get even better. If its a carbon copy sue the developers. However I dont think its a carbon copy at all.

[jcw163]

It's similar but better

[SonicsLV]

Let's be real, both are really underwhelming for F1 manager game. MM is doing much better on management side (but still very unreal and gameified too much) while F1M is doing much better on the actual racing part (but still having several completely ridiculous and shouldn't be there in the first place problems). In the end both are too easy and only give you best experience for first 1.5 seasons and quickly detoriating after that.

In the end, I'd prefer MM on the daily part and F1M on racing weekend part. However even if we have a game that exactly that, it will still be an underwhelming F1 manager type game due to serious issues and design decision on both games. However as for now, I must say I prefer to play F1M because the licensing is really makes it much more immersive for me as F1 fan and the race typically feels much more like watching actual F1 racing should be until the glaring issues happened.

Also OP is wrong. F1M is totally different than MM aside from general idea.