ERS Overtake Mode

[Finarfin]

During most laps of a race, why would you not just leave this turned on? It'll harvest at the start of the lap and then use it for part of the rest of the lap. Is there a reason to switch to Neutral?

[Andy]

I was of the understanding the usage outside of actually trying to over take was 'normal' not harvest.
There's no point telling a driver to overtake, for him to harvest and loose ground on the car infront.
The 'overtake' can be used at any part of the track too, and more than once a lap. So, in close racing you'll quickly find it at '0'
It's not just used in the DRS zone.

[Finarfin]

When I say 'harvest' I was referring to the start of a new lap when you can gather up to 2.0MJ into your battery. I usually switch to Overtake at that point, since it seems it gives the car some gaining time on cars ahead. I'm trying to figure out if there's any reason to not do this and continue to switch between Neutral and Overtake. It's a bit annoying to have to do that over a 70-lap race, especially with no shortcut keys.

[nh2008]

There's no point to switch between them. If you want to overtake, switch the ERS to overtake mode before the last corner of the planned overtaking point.

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by nh2008:

There's no point to switch between them. If you want to overtake, switch the ERS to overtake mode before the last corner of the planned overtaking point.

That's what I typically do, but it becomes tedious to have to keep doing multiple clicks to do that one lap after another. That's why I'm trying to get an answer as to if there's reason to not just leave the Overtake on all the time.

[Andy]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

That's why I'm trying to get an answer as to if there's reason to not just leave the Overtake on all the time.

You will end up with times when your driver uses it and runs it to 0 if they're left unchecked.
If you run in the pack likely more often that when you're in clear air.
Might want to toy with doing the switch after the first round of pit stops when you'll get more clear air.
Stands to reason that leaving it in 'defend' would be pretty similar. Might want to think about whether you're looking forward or over your shoulder before you leave it for a while set.

With the game making it tougher to get within a second. I'd be inclined just to use it all in the first 2 laps when the fields closest and then switch to normal.

[nh2008]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Originally posted by nh2008:

There's no point to switch between them. If you want to overtake, switch the ERS to overtake mode before the last corner of the planned overtaking point.

That's what I typically do, but it becomes tedious to have to keep doing multiple clicks to do that one lap after another. That's why I'm trying to get an answer as to if there's reason to not just leave the Overtake on all the time.

Why do you want to overtake in every single lap, you play from last to first challenge, or something? :)

[Salty Orange]

I'm not really sure what you're doing. Neutral already expends the full 2 MJ you can harvest, Overtake will use up more than you can harvest. It's only a difference if you actually use it for a specific purpose, like getting into a drs window, to then harvest in the safe 1 sec window for another assault

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by nh2008:

Originally posted by Finarfin:

That's what I typically do, but it becomes tedious to have to keep doing multiple clicks to do that one lap after another. That's why I'm trying to get an answer as to if there's reason to not just leave the Overtake on all the time.

Why do you want to overtake in every single lap, you play from last to first challenge, or something? :)

If I'm fairly close to the car in front of me, maybe 1 second or less, I tend to use the Overtake to get closer and attempt to overtake the car if it's an area good for overtaking, whether it's a DRS zone or not. Often I don't bridge the gap using the 2MJ, so I'm in the same situation next lap. It wouldn't be so tedious if there was a simple shortcut key to trigger Overtake or something. Instead, each time I want to do this I have to click on the control panel for ERS, click on Overtake, and then click back to Neutral when I'm finished. Not a very good design.

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by Salty Orange:

I'm not really sure what you're doing. Neutral already expends the full 2 MJ you can harvest, Overtake will use up more than you can harvest. It's only a difference if you actually use it for a specific purpose, like getting into a drs window, to then harvest in the safe 1 sec window for another assault

Could you clarify what you mean by your last clause? I'm not sure what is meant by harvesting in the safe 1 second window.

[Gorlos]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

During most laps of a race, why would you not just leave this turned on? It'll harvest at the start of the lap and then use it for part of the rest of the lap. Is there a reason to switch to Neutral?

F1 micromanagement.

[nh2008]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Originally posted by nh2008:

Why do you want to overtake in every single lap, you play from last to first challenge, or something? :)

If I'm fairly close to the car in front of me, maybe 1 second or less, I tend to use the Overtake to get closer and attempt to overtake the car if it's an area good for overtaking, whether it's a DRS zone or not. Often I don't bridge the gap using the 2MJ, so I'm in the same situation next lap. It wouldn't be so tedious if there was a simple shortcut key to trigger Overtake or something. Instead, each time I want to do this I have to click on the control panel for ERS, click on Overtake, and then click back to Neutral when I'm finished. Not a very good design.

To try to overtake someone is worth, when your speed at least the same like the car in front of you, or rather you are faster.

Usually (not always) you can overtake on the straight. Based on my experience it's enough to switch to overtake mode before the corner to the straight, because with the plus energy you will go out of the corner quicker than the car in front of you.

Of course the DRS is an advantage, so your job is easyer. But don't forget, your opponent also can defend with ERS, so nothing is guaranteed, if you want to overtake.

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by nh2008:

Originally posted by Finarfin:

If I'm fairly close to the car in front of me, maybe 1 second or less, I tend to use the Overtake to get closer and attempt to overtake the car if it's an area good for overtaking, whether it's a DRS zone or not. Often I don't bridge the gap using the 2MJ, so I'm in the same situation next lap. It wouldn't be so tedious if there was a simple shortcut key to trigger Overtake or something. Instead, each time I want to do this I have to click on the control panel for ERS, click on Overtake, and then click back to Neutral when I'm finished. Not a very good design.

To try to overtake someone is worth, when your speed at least the same like the car in front of you, or rather you are faster.

Usually (not always) you can overtake on the straight. Based on my experience it's enough to switch to overtake mode before the corner to the straight, because with the plus energy you will go out of the corner quicker than the car in front of you.

Of course the DRS is an advantage, so your job is easyer. But don't forget, your opponent also can defend with ERS, so nothing is guaranteed, if you want to overtake.

So we're right back at the beginning: micromanagement and multiple clicks. I'm the team principal, not the driver. That's his job. I don't want to have to handle every move for the drivers. Again, if there were shortcut keys it wouldn't be so bad. But there aren't for some odd reason.

[MJKERR]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

During most laps of a race, why would you not just leave this turned on? It'll harvest at the start of the lap and then use it for part of the rest of the lap. Is there a reason to switch to Neutral?

Have you performed a few tests from the same save, then compared the total race time, from race start to the point at which the battery drains to zero?

My strategy is to only use Overtake for the first two laps
Equally, only used by any driver not on pole position or both pole position and second (set to Deploy)
Once DRS is active, swap to either Deploy or Neutral, depending on gaps between cars
Once there is a gap of at least 1.5 seconds, two laps of Harvest

Another use for Overtake is prior to a Pit Stop, otherwise Deploy
The next use of Overtake is when exiting Pits, as above depending on gaps
Again, in both cases two laps of Harvest afterwards

[nh2008]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Originally posted by nh2008:

To try to overtake someone is worth, when your speed at least the same like the car in front of you, or rather you are faster.

Usually (not always) you can overtake on the straight. Based on my experience it's enough to switch to overtake mode before the corner to the straight, because with the plus energy you will go out of the corner quicker than the car in front of you.

Of course the DRS is an advantage, so your job is easyer. But don't forget, your opponent also can defend with ERS, so nothing is guaranteed, if you want to overtake.

So we're right back at the beginning: micromanagement and multiple clicks. I'm the team principal, not the driver. That's his job. I don't want to have to handle every move for the drivers. Again, if there were shortcut keys it wouldn't be so bad. But there aren't for some odd reason.

Sorry. I was just trying to make the point, that there's no point in constantly switching to overtaking mode. Though anyone can feel, it would be good such a type of shortcut.

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by nh2008:

Originally posted by Finarfin:

So we're right back at the beginning: micromanagement and multiple clicks. I'm the team principal, not the driver. That's his job. I don't want to have to handle every move for the drivers. Again, if there were shortcut keys it wouldn't be so bad. But there aren't for some odd reason.

Sorry. I was just trying to make the point, that there's no point in constantly switching to overtaking mode. Though anyone can feel, it would be good such a type of shortcut.

No need to apologize. I was just hoping that there was a way to avoid having to click on various things to take action. I like in Motorsport Manager where I have a distinct key combo for each car to do things like increase/decrease pace, tire pushing, etc.