Setup confidence

[bba525]

I'm almost at the end of the 2022 season and still don't have a handle on how setup confidence works.

It was my understanding that the blue bar represents the driver's preferred setting range. Yet I see settings a driver says are "great" or "optimum" that are waaay outside the blue bar.

The legend says the green line is the "best" setting. Yet when I use the green line about half the time the driver says the setting is bad.

Obviously I don't have a clue what's going on. I've experimented with simulating practice, and the best result I've gotten by doing that is around 65% driver confidence.

Can someone please explain the process to me in a way my 74 year old mind can understand?

[Goul]

In the Window where you do the Setup, there are the seting, Oversteer, Traction, Top speed, etc. Somwhere between Maximum and minimum is a highlited area. The "Range" where the optimum is, somewehere there.
At first these Ranges that are marked are the POSSIBLE optimum Values. Basicly you come from Simulating and Testing in the Simulator on the Track and now have to check how well this fits "on the Real track"

My tip would be, try to go with the setup at the extremes of these marked ranges, then let your driver go on track. He has to drive roughly 25 minutes, depending on a value of your engineer of the driver a bit more or a bit less. Your driver will get setup Knowledge. Value goes up to 5, always try to get full knowledge of 5 before you pit at first.

Then, when you enter the pits, the highlighted areas become smaller and you get a result ( good, Bad, great, etc )

Diffrent settings affect diffrent areas, when you hover over Rear wing, for example, what it changes is highlighted. As an example, changing the rear wing has an effect on oversteer and top speed, if i remember correct.

Every stint, the ranges become smaller and smaller everytime you get knowledge. 1/5 is only 1 Area got knowledge, 5/5 you gaines knowledge in all areas and all Ranges get smaller.

The white MARKER on that line is "Last setting" the Green Marker means, this was the Value of your "Best overall Setup" Not the best Value for this line. Lets say, you have a 30% setup, then the green markers only tell you, this was the Value for the 30% setup. when % increase, the Green markes change. Maybe next setup is 50%, for example, then, the green markers switch places to tell you, these where the Values for the 50%, because your best setup is now 50%. Green Markers only show the Position for the best setup you have untill now.
You need to hit at least good in every line, Traction, oversteer etc. to improve Setup % Value.

you need a value of 95% - 96% to get the best result.

I hope this helps.

[Warlord]

Originally posted by bba525:

I'm almost at the end of the 2022 season and still don't have a handle on how setup confidence works.

It was my understanding that the blue bar represents the driver's preferred setting range. Yet I see settings a driver says are "great" or "optimum" that are waaay outside the blue bar.

The legend says the green line is the "best" setting. Yet when I use the green line about half the time the driver says the setting is bad.

Obviously I don't have a clue what's going on. I've experimented with simulating practice, and the best result I've gotten by doing that is around 65% driver confidence.

Can someone please explain the process to me in a way my 74 year old mind can understand?

So when you've done some tests you should have a green line, a white line and 2 triangles. As you correctly explained, green = best known setting, white = current setting and triangles = last setting.

Example: If you are not currently at optimal, and the triangles are on the left side, and the green line to the right, then you have to make sure that you move the current setting to the right, behind the green line.

In other words, if your scores on the tests get worse and worse, you need to go back to the green line and even beyond it. Unless, of course, the attitude is said to be "Great" or "Good," then chances are you just need to approach the green line again without going beyond it
"Great" quantifies a difference that is about as wide as a toothpick or even less btw.

I hope this helps you a little.

There are also good videos on youtube.

[bba525]

That's one of the things that confuse me. I see settings that are far outside what is supposed to be the desired setting range but the driver is saying that setting is "great."

[SailMan]

Originally posted by bba525:

That's one of the things that confuse me. I see settings that are far outside what is supposed to be the desired setting range but the driver is saying that setting is "great."

Can you paste screenshots? I think I vaguely remember seeing this sometimes, but it was generally closer to boundary.

I think you know the jist of setup as explained by others.
Someone said start at extremes, though I'd differ on that. I'd start somewhere in middle or quarter way through. This way, you can start to eliminate large areas of the range quickly.

[bba525]

At the moment I'm setting up for Texas. Working on Ricciardo's car. Traction has a very small range bar. Best and Current are both in the center of the bar, and yet Dan is saying traction is bad.

[Andy]

Originally posted by bba525:

That's one of the things that confuse me. I see settings that are far outside what is supposed to be the desired setting range but the driver is saying that setting is "great."

If they're 'great' then that means that adjustment is 'close' Move it just inside the blue bar close to the point it's at. And, it should still improve.
Great = close to optimum. Optimum = perfect.

[Saandrig]

Originally posted by bba525:

At the moment I'm setting up for Texas. Working on Ricciardo's car. Traction has a very small range bar. Best and Current are both in the center of the bar, and yet Dan is saying traction is bad.

Don't listen to the driver audio. It's a recorded reply that plays depending on overall setup confidence, not about specific setup slider.

[bba525]

Originally posted by Saandrig:

Originally posted by bba525:

At the moment I'm setting up for Texas. Working on Ricciardo's car. Traction has a very small range bar. Best and Current are both in the center of the bar, and yet Dan is saying traction is bad.

Don't listen to the driver audio. It's a recorded reply that plays depending on overall setup confidence, not about specific setup slider.

I'm talking about the driver observations in the setup screen. As I said, in that screen he's saying traction is bad.

[Dazzed]

Originally posted by bba525:

At the moment I'm setting up for Texas. Working on Ricciardo's car. Traction has a very small range bar. Best and Current are both in the center of the bar, and yet Dan is saying traction is bad.

So the optimal value is on one of the edges of the range bar then, likely further away from "current" and closer to "best" but not necessarily. The only way to figure out which edge might have to be trial and error.

[SailMan]

Originally posted by bba525:

At the moment I'm setting up for Texas. Working on Ricciardo's car. Traction has a very small range bar. Best and Current are both in the center of the bar, and yet Dan is saying traction is bad.

If you can take a screenshot and post, that might help explain your view point better.

[Goul]

Bad = I...I this far away at least
Good= I..I this far away roughly
Great= II this far away

If you have Green marker >< ( ) <--- range is there, forget the green marker.

Sometimes i had otimal directly at the border on the Range, but, NEVER in 4 Seasons i have played far outside range.

Starting at the extremes: Theres only 1 way to adjust, left or right, starting in the middle you have to guess if you have to adjust to left or right and that could make an adjustment in the wrong direction.

[Tassie]

Yeh, it can be a hair-pulling exercise at times.
It's also a difficult process to put into words, but I'll just mention a few thoughts.

Seeing as you are keen to search for a decent setup, definitely stick to manually running the practice sessions.
For one, it gives you a chance to alter the settings mid-session, but also the simulated session tuning can throw you for a loop sometimes.

My interpretation of 'best' is simply the position you have placed the slider that is closest to the desired end result. It may still be along way from where it needs to be, but it's the 'best' you've done so far.

Priority wise, I work on the front and rear wing settings first, along with the anti-roll ratio.
The rear wing slider obviously alters the 'straights' setting, and the only other slider effecting straights is the front wing.
The front wing obviously has significant effect on the 'oversteer' setting, but the anti-roll ratio also has a reasonable influence.

Obviously camber and toe come into play, but for want of a better term, I use those 3 sliders as the foundation of the setup.

[SailMan]

As you get further into the seasons/game, and your car improves compared to others, you'll realize that getting the setup perfect isn't as important. It only provides a small bonus to the driver for the qualifying.

Speaking of qualifying, if you dont have a high setup % by start of Q1, remember -- you can always play with the front wing settings during the qualifying. Just throw a used set (or intermediates/wets) and go for another lap of the circuit. As soon as the car gets out on track, call it back in. Once back in pits, you can see the setup confidence % change if you made any adjustments.
I have sometimes gone from 84% at the start of Q1, to 94% by end of it.

[nh2008]

Originally posted by Tassie:

Yeh, it can be a hair-pulling exercise at times.
It's also a difficult process to put into words, but I'll just mention a few thoughts.

Seeing as you are keen to search for a decent setup, definitely stick to manually running the practice sessions.
For one, it gives you a chance to alter the settings mid-session, but also the simulated session tuning can throw you for a loop sometimes.

My interpretation of 'best' is simply the position you have placed the slider that is closest to the desired end result. It may still be along way from where it needs to be, but it's the 'best' you've done so far.

Priority wise, I work on the front and rear wing settings first, along with the anti-roll ratio.
The rear wing slider obviously alters the 'straights' setting, and the only other slider effecting straights is the front wing.
The front wing obviously has significant effect on the 'oversteer' setting, but the anti-roll ratio also has a reasonable influence.

Obviously camber and toe come into play, but for want of a better term, I use those 3 sliders as the foundation of the setup.

Good approach.

You have to start always with wings. (until the rear wing is great at least)
1. rear wing
2. front wing

The pairs:
Rear wing – Straights
Front wing – Oversteer
Anti Roll Distribution – Traction
Tyre Camber – Cornering
Toe-Out – Braking stability

There's no point to set the other 3 bias until you get the right (at least good) settings on wings. That is because the drivers can not give accurate feedback without the right wings settings.

Be careful with front wing, because there are 2 types of driver
One prefers oversteering
The other prefers understeering

As soon as you get great on wings, you can focus on the other 3 in that order( it is not vital, just a recommendation):
1. traction (until it is great)
2. cornering
3. braking stability

the right moment to set on traction (you start with rear wing of course):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2881635535

[nh2008]

Originally posted by SailMan:

As you get further into the seasons/game, and your car improves compared to others, you'll realize that getting the setup perfect isn't as important. It only provides a small bonus to the driver for the qualifying.

Perhaps you are right, but I'm not sure about it.
Theoretically straight and cornering should affect car performance.
Traction, oversteer and braking stability should affect car handling.
Poor car handling should cause spinnings and lock ups of course. ;)

A fair test would be a comparison of your 2 drivers. One with great set up, one with bad set up, at the end you can analise their race performance.