Which engine supplier do you like the most?

[H3M1V3]

i would like to know, what experience you made with them and what you focus on the most, when picking the next engine.


i myself am playing aston martin, had mercedes in my first year, red bull powertrains in the next 2 years and now im testing renault. my only real experience with ferrari was for a couple races with haas.

reason i changed to renault was, because i thought the increased fuel efficiency lets me save tons of fuel, so i can underfuel my car and gain performance that way putting me on par with red bull powertrains. on top of that i would have the 2nd best power loss threshhold, which lets me drive engines longer without loosing speed. gearbox durability doesnt matter, cause you will never go through 4 of them.

mercedes and renault are mostly equal, except renault is much more fuel efficient for half the price. saving 10mill can be alot for some people.

so if i look at what you get for the money tbh i would say:
renault>mercedes>ferrari>red bull powertrains


yes red bull is rlly good and if you voted for 1 more engine/ers/gearbox then you will always have a high performance car, but the kicker what you rlly feel when you use red bull for the first time is, that you rlly rlly need to overfuel your car or you race 2/3 or more of the race in engine mode 1. if you start the race on the recommended fuel you wont make it to the finish line in mode 2 (without safety cars). especially if you are used to run engine mode 3 for the first 2-3 laps to get some overtakes in or get some breathing room between you and the rest behind you.

renault on the other hand leaves you with 2-3 laps of extra fuel at the end of the race if you race in mode 2 the whole race. with mercedes i was always on the edge and had to use mode 1 for the last laps cause i used mode 3 in the beginning.

so basically mode 2 for a whole race requires ~50% fuel efficiency and if you can stay in drs for roughly half the race (slingshot tactic with your 2 drivers) you can give both drivers ~5% on top. so mercedes can make the 50% with that tactic.


another thing to keep in mind is, that if you use 1 set (engine/ers/gearbox) for training and another for quali and race, quali and race only consume ~5% durability. so a mercedes engine, can hold out 2 races more before loosing power. so for a 3 engine ruleset thats 16 races before you loose any power at all with mercedes, while ferrari f.e. can only hold out 10 races.

the amount of power you loose can be substantial. red bull powertrains difference between 83% and 56% is 0.3sec/lap. doesnt sound like much, but in a 70lap race thats over 20seconds difference.


but this is just my opinion. whats your opinion, which engine supplier is your favorite?

[Andy]

Doing an Aston save.
Went with Ferrari. Better fuel economy, more power, better gearbox and ERS life than merc.

Seemed like the best compromise to me overall. Although, that is a bit subjective.
If money was ever tight, wouldn't hesitate to jump to Renault.

[H3M1V3]

Originally posted by Andy:

Doing an Aston save.
Went with Ferrari. Better fuel economy, more power, better gearbox and ERS life than merc.

Seemed like the best compromise to me overall. Although, that is a bit subjective.
If money was ever tight, wouldn't hesitate to jump to Renault.

i mean ferrari and merc are pretty close for me. its not a big difference. it was rlly preference choosing mercedes over ferrari for me.

but its funny how i thought red bull was the best in the beginning and when i raced with them i noticed the fundamental flaw of the 40% fuel efficiency. there are some tracks, where you cant overfuel the car, cause you already carry the maximum amount of fuel with you.
thats where mercedes is on the edge and where ferrari and renault got 0 probs with fuel management.

[AoD_lexandro]

I jumped from Merc to Renault at Aston and it was a much better engine overall. The merc has more pace on push, but the Renault has more power overall and so better pace in standard mode, so it equals out in lap times. When you then factor in fuel saving, its a no brainer which engine is the best option, as the extra fuel means vastly improved tactical options and laptimes when pushed for longer. Add some engine cooling and the wear rate drops considerably compared to Mercedes.

Can't speak as to the Ferrari and RBPT packages as I have never used them.

[H3M1V3]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

I jumped from Merc to Renault at Aston and it was a much better engine overall. The merc has more pace on push, but the Renault has more power overall and so better pace in standard mode, so it equals out in lap times. When you then factor in fuel saving, its a no brainer which engine is the best option, as the extra fuel means vastly improved tactical options and laptimes when pushed for longer. Add some engine cooling and the wear rate drops considerably compared to Mercedes.

Can't speak as to the Ferrari and RBPT packages as I have never used them.

the only real thing that the engine power rlly does is make RBPT much stronger in quali. after switching to renault i noticed much closer qualifyings. with RBPT i was 0.8-1sec ahead of P3. which was kinda ridiculous, while with Renault i "only" manage 0.2-0.4sec, but the race is much smoother.

[Carlo]

I went with Ferrari on my Aston save, probably I'll do the same on McLaren. I like the mix of power, efficiency and durability.

[Dumonster]

At this time, since AI rides their engines to death, Ferrari and Mercedes seem to be the best compromise.

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

The stats should change on the engines year on year, it's pretty pathetic it's the same 10 years later in the game, I mean it's so unrealistic it hurts my feelings.

[H3M1V3]

Originally posted by Jean Claude Van Dan:

The stats should change on the engines year on year, it's pretty pathetic it's the same 10 years later in the game, I mean it's so unrealistic it hurts my feelings.

well thats not the topic, but what they could add is a chance for engine failures which should be Ferrari>RBPT>Mercedes/Renault

[Frodo]

From looking at the data I think I'll be going Ferrari next year

https://ibb.co/cFq9Tjz

[AoD_lexandro]

lol how can the renault be 5th when there is only 4 makers? More bugs found lmao.

[Frodo]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

lol how can the renault be 5th when there is only 4 makers? More bugs found lmao.

Its better to put no engine in and have the driver push the car instead of a Renault engine.
Everybody whos owned a Renault knows that ;)

[riOrizOr]

If u calculate all % together:

Ferrari: 461,4 %
Renault: 444 %
Red Bull: 460,2 %
Mercedes: 437,6%

You can clearly see that Ferrari is the strongest overall.
I havent tried Renault but the rest of them and i felt no real difference at all.
Just for my mindset i pick Ferrari all time. I believe its the best so i pick it.

[andrej.bty]

I feel like Ferrari is the way to go if you got money.

But that Renault sure looks good for that budget.

[H3M1V3]

Originally posted by riOrizOr:

If u calculate all % together:

Ferrari: 461,4 %
Renault: 444 %
Red Bull: 460,2 %
Mercedes: 437,6%

You can clearly see that Ferrari is the strongest overall.
I havent tried Renault but the rest of them and i felt no real difference at all.
Just for my mindset i pick Ferrari all time. I believe its the best so i pick it.

you cant rlly do that, cause stuff like gearbox durability just doesnt matter and ers durability is only of slight importance. on top of that the fuel efficiency of red bull forces you to overfuel your car so you can run the whole race on engine mode 2, which not only makes you slower, but there are also races where you simply cant overfuel your car. engine mode 1 just sucks. mercedes can just manage if you have 2 equal teammates giving each other drs for the whole race. while ferrari and renault can just do whatever they want on that end.

then you have wear resistance where a small change has a big influence, cause it affects the engines wear every single race, while power loss threshold got bigger jumps, cause its a one time thing essentially. so you cant rlly treat those % the same.

on top i wouldnt forget the price.

[fooyou49]

Originally posted by Jean Claude Van Dan:

The stats should change on the engines year on year, it's pretty pathetic it's the same 10 years later in the game, I mean it's so unrealistic it hurts my feelings.

Completely agree. I find that as the engines are at this time all static they are boring. They should also make it as your engineers can tweek the engines or parts of them for better performance and power etc. Am Aston Martin and Find RB more difficulty to control as of the power loss and gearbox let alone the fuel issues, not touched Renault yet but fuel is issues with the other 3 engines so i use mainly F rather than RB and M. But overall engines are boring, should open it to other engine providers.