this game should be called ERS manager

[Heinrich]

like seriously, 90% of playing is just managing ERS. if you have a slow car and you don't manage your ERS properly, you will fall out of drs train and the race is over. this actually feels like playing some kind of a mobile game instead of being a manager. i dont think the real engineer calls the driver 4 times a lap to tell him how to set his ERS, this is just dumb. i don't know what the design choice behind this was, but it just becomes very boring and repettetive after some races. they should call me the ERS guy instead of team manager LOL.

[Dennis]

The way you use it is neither realistic nor intended by the game developer. You're using questionable mechanics to compete for podiums with a car that normally races in the top 18.
This is not an attack on you, everyone should play it how they like. But as micro-heavy as you use it, it is not intended and also not necessary. You can play this game in a relaxed way.

[Heinrich]

Originalmente postado por MysticalPotato:

Originalmente postado por Abdul Klappstuhl:

true true, it's getting better, but i shouldn't be able to micro manage this at all. poor game design choice imho.

I kind of get what you're saying, but if you didn't have much to do during the race, you'd set strategy, then just fast forward 16x til the end? Sounds awfully boring to me.

i get what you're saying and i kinda see the issue with that. but right now im telling my driver to save ers in corner 1, to use neutral in corner 3, try to overtake in corner 5 with drs and then back to saving energy so i have enough energy next round to do the same ♥♥♥♥ again. like thats not fun lol.

[Heinrich]

Originalmente postado por Dennis:

The way you use it is neither realistic nor intended by the game developer. You're using questionable mechanics to compete for podiums with a car that normally races in the top 18.
This is not an attack on you, everyone should play it how they like. But as micro-heavy as you use it, it is not intended and also not necessary. You can play this game in a relaxed way.

well im a tryhard and i try go get the most optimal result. like thats the job of the manager in the end. to get the best result possible. and right now you get the best result possible with managing the ers like a madman. sure i could relax and just use neutral ers the whole time, but than i lose out on a better result and this kinda defeats the purpose of a manager game. thats like you play football manager and you have to tell the player if he shoot on the goal or give pass to a better positioned player. thats not the job of a football coach and the same goes for the job of f1 team manager. its not my job to tell the driver in which corner to use his ers.

[saberhagen83]

Originalmente postado por Abdul Klappstuhl:

well im a tryhard and i try go get the most optimal result. like thats the job of the manager in the end. to get the best result possible. and right now you get the best result possible with managing the ers like a madman. sure i could relax and just use neutral ers the whole time, but than i lose out on a better result and this kinda defeats the purpose of a manager game. thats like you play football manager and you have to tell the player if he shoot on the goal or give pass to a better positioned player. thats not the job of a football coach and the same goes for the job of f1 team manager. its not my job to tell the driver in which corner to use his ers.

I understand what you mean. But there are things called "long term goals" in every sport. A Williams may be able to compete if they go crazy, in this case, with ERS management. But that is quite unrealistic. It's like trying to take over a relegation candidate on FM and expecting to be able to compete for the title in year 1. :) You play it the way you want, don't get me wrong. But in doing what you are trying to achieve, you have to micromanage the heck out of the game.

[TyCobb]

Make sure to simulate practice because as a Team Principal, it's not your job to do setups either.

[Heinrich]

Originalmente postado por saberhagen83:

Originalmente postado por Abdul Klappstuhl:

well im a tryhard and i try go get the most optimal result. like thats the job of the manager in the end. to get the best result possible. and right now you get the best result possible with managing the ers like a madman. sure i could relax and just use neutral ers the whole time, but than i lose out on a better result and this kinda defeats the purpose of a manager game. thats like you play football manager and you have to tell the player if he shoot on the goal or give pass to a better positioned player. thats not the job of a football coach and the same goes for the job of f1 team manager. its not my job to tell the driver in which corner to use his ers.

I understand what you mean. But there are things called "long term goals" in every sport. A Williams may be able to compete if they go crazy, in this case, with ERS management. But that is quite unrealistic

exactly, it's absolutely unrealistic and a williams should NOT be able to compete for podium spots in the first season, no matter ERS usage, but thats due to another bug where the competition does not properly design new parts. you try to take a relegation candidate and become champion next year, this is almost impossible in fm. in f1 manager it's not a problem at all. but this has nothing to do with the micro manage stuff. it's a different bug/topic.

[Heinrich]

Originalmente postado por TyCobb:

Make sure to simulate practice because as a Team Principal, it's not your job to do setups either.

whatever your whataboutism has to do with the issue i described. i know it's still a game and i dont mind doing stuff out of my "responsibility" as a team manager in a video game when it's fun. but the current state of ers management is neither fun nor realistic imho. it just becomes tedious, boring and repetetive after 4-5-6 races because you're doing the same stuff for 45min + on 2x speed.

[Dennis]

I started my first season with Ferrari and developed three parts. Up until race 15 I had the strongest car, only then did Redbull and Mercedes catch up.
From a feeling I would say that the competition is developing too slowly or too little. Have you read anything about this from the developers, is this a bug?

[MysticalPotato]

Originalmente postado por Dennis:

I started my first season with Ferrari and developed three parts. Up until race 15 I had the strongest car, only then did Redbull and Mercedes catch up.
From a feeling I would say that the competition is developing too slowly or too little. Have you read anything about this from the developers, is this a bug?

Seems there's a lot of variance in experiences. I developed 6 or 7 parts I think, chassis was on iteration 3. Couldn't even crack the top 10. This was with Haas. I also had no engines, gearboxes or ERS left by the end of the season and the game provides no way to buy more (even though IRL that would incur a grid penalty which would be fine in game too, just let me buy more!)

[Dennis]

Hm? I now have (18/22) the 6th engine at Sainz. You can equip new engines, but will be penalized in the race.

[TyCobb]

Originalmente postado por MysticalPotato:

Originalmente postado por Dennis:

I started my first season with Ferrari and developed three parts. Up until race 15 I had the strongest car, only then did Redbull and Mercedes catch up.
From a feeling I would say that the competition is developing too slowly or too little. Have you read anything about this from the developers, is this a bug?

Seems there's a lot of variance in experiences. I developed 6 or 7 parts I think, chassis was on iteration 3. Couldn't even crack the top 10. This was with Haas. I also had no engines, gearboxes or ERS left by the end of the season and the game provides no way to buy more (even though IRL that would incur a grid penalty which would be fine in game too, just let me buy more!)

You can buy more. In the middle of a race so I can't get to that screen, but I believe you have to go to Cars and the actual parts area (the 3x3 grid part menu). If it says you can't buy more, it'll tell you the reason.

[Lee Fall]

Originalmente postado por Abdul Klappstuhl:

you don't seem to understand the issue. i shouldn't be controlling the driver on a low level as a teammanager. thats the job of the race engineer, but im the team manager. i should be controlling the driver on a higher level and not micromanage him. it's a poor game design choice. the driver should make the decision on his own based on simple commands i give him, not the other way around.

"and trying to stay with them or throughout an entire race is futile."

right now this is the only choice you have to be competetive in a slowe car. if you don't micromanage your ERS and stay with them, you'll lose a lot of time over the course of the whole race.

I agree with this

[Salski]

i mean have you ever playd games like football manager or ootp im really suprised people are suprised you are micromanaging in races

[bshock]

It seems a lot of people aren't familiar with F1 that are playing this game. It does set out to be quite realistic. Currently, there is Red Bull and then everyone else. You will have to micro manage for points and in a lot of teams cases, to futility. Welcome to F1.

[Narnyay]

the game descends to 'micromanagement hell' as you almost have to do everything in real time not just for 1 of your drivers but for both at the same time and if you dont do so you dont do well in races

in motorsport manager there's a file you can download which enables ai to decide what levels to push the car and engine mode to use which helps a lot