F1 Manager 22 vs. Motorsport Manager

[Osiris125]

Now I personally am in the group of people that are so hyped for this game that I literally can't stop thinking about it as the clock painfully ticks away. However, I'm curious about how people think this game compares to Motorsport Manager based on what we've seen so far in the promotional material for F1M.

Obviously it's not a FAIR argument since one of the games isn't released yet, but if there are some here who feel this game doesn't appear to live up to MM, I would invite you to give your reasons for feeling so and maybe share what you think would help this franchise hit that level.

[Sonicfear]

I consider F1 Manager 2022 not only a true successor to Motorsport Manager, I feel like it's an actual evolution of the genre. After pouring over all the game screens and videos, seeing all the mechanics and features, I can find no shortcomings. That is not even mentioning the Visual and Audio fidelity which is obviously a quantum leap over Motorsport Manager. I know you asked for feedback from the naysayers, but I for one can hardly find any faults in what I've seen thus far. I'm also a avid F1-(Insert Year Here) fan, which will likely be shelved until I get a good month or so sunk into F1 Manager 2022.

[Rinshun]

Originally posted by Sonicfear:

I consider F1 Manager 2022 not only a true successor to Motorsport Manager, I feel like it's an actual evolution of the genre. After pouring over all the game screens and videos, seeing all the mechanics and features, I can find no shortcomings. That is not even mentioning the Visual and Audio fidelity which is obviously a quantum leap over Motorsport Manager. I know you asked for feedback from the naysayers, but I for one can hardly find any faults in what I've seen thus far. I'm also a avid F1-(Insert Year Here) fan, which will likely be shelved until I get a good month or so sunk into F1 Manager 2022.

Motorsport manager wasn't even that good. It just got so popular because it was the ONLY one in the genre. Making a better game shouldn't be hard, and if they paid for the F1 license, I doubt it they are going to slack off in the game development part.

[Lee]

i think this is going to be a great game, f1 manager 23 will be even better game hopeful
you will allow you to move around to other teams and i guess most people want my team build your own team. Im quite contend with their first go at f1 game i hope it takes off and is it a success

[Mighty]

Jesus.. this game is a carbon copy of MM. Everything is the same but with a nice UI and a pretty race. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the elements like contract negotiation seems actually worse from what has been shown so far. MM became so good due to the work chris and falko put in making it as close to official as the game could get. All the base elements and foundations are identical.

[Turk]

I don't know I haven't tried it yet but ...
if it is true that it is not possible to start from the bottom and gradually change the team this in a managerial one is a huge flaw.
In motorsport you could have decades long careers with team changes that spurred you on. here after 5 years you will have broken the boxes of that stable and then?
Very very limiting in a title like that, and the thing that is their first title does not hold up, Frontier is not the latest one has already shown that it knows how to do it.
The variation of the regulation does not seem to be implemented, another flaw.
Aspects that were present in Motorsport and how (and even there it was not yet another title of the genre but the first)

In these aspects, Motorsport is certainly better.

[Osiris125]

Originally posted by Mighty:

Jesus.. this game is a carbon copy of MM. Everything is the same but with a nice UI and a pretty race. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the elements like contract negotiation seems actually worse from what has been shown so far. MM became so good due to the work chris and falko put in making it as close to official as the game could get. All the base elements and foundations are identical.

I feel it should be a given that a ton of aspects will be the same considering both games are about motorsports. As for contract negotiations, I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to, but the little bit I remember seeing actually seems to handle driver salaries in a format that makes it much easier to calculate the costs of a driver's salary. Idk why MM decided to show pay on a weekly/pre race basis but an annual cost is just better to me and is more in line with the standards of other sports titles.

[Osiris125]

Originally posted by Turk:

I don't know I haven't tried it yet but ...
if it is true that it is not possible to start from the bottom and gradually change the team this in a managerial one is a huge flaw.
In motorsport you could have decades long careers with team changes that spurred you on. here after 5 years you will have broken the boxes of that stable and then?
Very very limiting in a title like that, and the thing that is their first title does not hold up, Frontier is not the latest one has already shown that it knows how to do it.
The variation of the regulation does not seem to be implemented, another flaw.
Aspects that were present in Motorsport and how (and even there it was not yet another title of the genre but the first)

In these aspects, Motorsport is certainly better.

I'm not sure what it you're wanting from this game. You can choose to start as a lower-end team and work your way up from there. You can also go much farther than just five seasons and should be able to keep running as long as you want with generated drivers.

I apologize but I can't really tell what youre trying to say about Frontier.

At least from what I've seen, regulation changes seem to at least be on par with what MM provides in terms of changing how the point systems work and team members have stated that other regulation changes will hopefully help balance the team's out as the years go by, helping to prevent a team from just dominating forever.

[Turk]

Originally posted by Your Cute Laotian Girlfriend:

Originally posted by Turk:

I don't know I haven't tried it yet but ...
if it is true that it is not possible to start from the bottom and gradually change the team this in a managerial one is a huge flaw.
In motorsport you could have decades long careers with team changes that spurred you on. here after 5 years you will have broken the boxes of that stable and then?
Very very limiting in a title like that, and the thing that is their first title does not hold up, Frontier is not the latest one has already shown that it knows how to do it.
The variation of the regulation does not seem to be implemented, another flaw.
Aspects that were present in Motorsport and how (and even there it was not yet another title of the genre but the first)

In these aspects, Motorsport is certainly better.

I'm not sure what it you're wanting from this game. You can choose to start as a lower-end team and work your way up from there. You can also go much farther than just five seasons and should be able to keep running as long as you want with generated drivers.

I apologize but I can't really tell what youre trying to say about Frontier.

At least from what I've seen, regulation changes seem to at least be on par with what MM provides in terms of changing how the point systems work and team members have stated that other regulation changes will hopefully help balance the team's out as the years go by, helping to prevent a team from just dominating forever.

On the regulation I seemed to have read that it was not expected to change, if it is not so good.
On frontier, I read elsewhere that the excuse of certain shortcomings is that it is their first title, well it doesn't hold up.
What do I expect from the title? A nice managerial team that makes me do tens of years of career, but having to do them by force with the same team I find it difficult.

[TheGuyWithPants]

Its the same game, with triple A UI, Graphics and sound. I even believe that motorsport manager is more complete in terms of managing your team, we will see.

[dair919]

Originally posted by Mighty:

Jesus.. this game is a carbon copy of MM. Everything is the same but with a nice UI and a pretty race. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the elements like contract negotiation seems actually worse from what has been shown so far. MM became so good due to the work chris and falko put in making it as close to official as the game could get. All the base elements and foundations are identical.

The two games were always going to have similarities, they're manager games, what did you expect? Lol

In some areas I wish they were similar:
* Moving from one team to the next
* Being fired and moving to a different team
* Randomly generated temporary driver perks
* Negotiations that take place over a number of days instead rather than instantly receiving a response
* Managing teams in lower divisions
* Risking fines and points by using unregulated parts on your cars

There will be things that MM does better that F1M and visa versa, there are going to be similarities between the two and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

In terms of presentation, F1M will blow MM out of the water, for me though it isn't just about presentation, it's about longevity and special features areas that I feel F1M might fall short. Well soon find out!

[Miawh]

To resume,
F1 manager 2022 is Fifa.
MM is Football Manager.

[dair919]

MM is PES

[ABBAJESUS]

i think there are small shortcomings such as:
- not over 500 new drivers to scout
- you can't see how young drivers are performing in F3 and F2 races
- You can't start from F3 and take your team to F1
- no W-series
- you getting fired and moving to a different team

Hopefully the game will be entertaining enough without these feature. but hopefully 2023 version will fix these issues.

[Osiris125]

Originally posted by ABBAJESUS:

i think there are small shortcomings such as:
- not over 500 new drivers to scout
- you can't see how young drivers are performing in F3 and F2 races
- You can't start from F3 and take your team to F1
- no W-series
- you getting fired and moving to a different team

Hopefully the game will be entertaining enough without these feature. but hopefully 2023 version will fix these issues.

My response to each item:

- While it would be interesting to be able to scout drivers throughout the typical ladder of open-wheel racing, I don't personally see it as being that realistic in the current setup to have 500 drivers to pick from when pretty much every F1 driver is taken from F2 (or F3 for a Verstappen-level driver) anyways.
- Fair point, they say the drivers are racing "behind the scenes" but if that were actually true, the devs should've been able to at least provide simulated summaries for lower-level races.
- When was the last time any kind of F3 or F2 organization actually moved to race in F1? Genuinely wondering because I have no idea and can't seem to find anything online about such a thing occurring in recent history but I could be wrong.
- It's unfortunate the W-Series isn't included, but I imagine that if they included additional F3-level series, they would end up with people wanting every single regional championship. Now I personally wouldn't care if they included all those drivers, but it kinda falls back to the first point, at least at the moment, there isn't a huge need to scout drivers 5 years in advance until they hopefully implement driver academies in the future and I would argue that the hundreds of drivers you get in MM aren't REALLY necessary.
- Another fair point. Maybe I heard wrong, but if you really can't move between teams, that just seems like a big oversight on Frontier's side. I can get nobody wanting to hire somebody who failed so hard they were fired from their previous team, but execs move around F1 all the time.

[hcaeb2000]

Originally posted by Miawh:

To resume,
F1 manager 2022 is Fifa.
MM is Football Manager.

I disagree here,

F1 2022 or whatever year would be your FIFA

MM is Football Manager 17

F1 Manager is Football Manager now (Maybe)

Now I agree with some of the reservations here about things that are missing in F1 Manager right now, the list above by dair919 is a pretty good summation of what is missing in the first version of F1 Manager, that and create a team, which MM didn't have upon release either.

I love MM, I started playing it again over the last month waiting for F1 Manager, and it still holds up as a fun game that I can sink lots of hours into, one more race kind of thing. I also prefer the fictional nature of it to the real life licensed games.

Anyhow, I am pretty excited about the release tomorrow, should be lots of fun. If I am playing MM again in a month, then this game failed, but I don't see that happening at all...