Misericorde: Volume One

Misericorde: Volume One

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Freytful 31 MAR 2023 a las 5:29 a. m.
[spoilers] what do you guys think is going on?
I can't really find anyone talking about the Mysteries of this mystery story, So I decided i should be the one to start.
Do you guys have any deductions or connections to point out? Any general theories? Have you seen the secret ending scene, and if so what did you think about it?
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thymiansalbei 20 ABR 2023 a las 4:03 p. m. 
There is one really big discrepancy I noticed:
- According to Angela, Charity went to the Superior's office and alerted Soup and her upon finding the body. Angela then ran into Eustace who was coming up from the wine cellar.
- According to Eustace, however, Eustace went to the Superior while Charity had to be consoled by Marta. It's also worth pointing out that in this recount of the events, there was a long duration of time between the discovery of the body and Eustace notifying Soup and Angela in the office. Also, Eustace remembers seeing Adela come up from the cellars.

If I recall correctly, there is a secret passage from the cellars to the kitchen (?), so either Eustace or Adela being spotted coming from there is very suspicious. I think Eustace and Darcy being in cahoots seems a tiny bit too obvious but they're definitely my main suspects right now.

Also, Angela doesn't mention signs of a struggle or multiple wounds on Catherine's body if I recall correctly - Eustace does.
Última edición por thymiansalbei; 20 ABR 2023 a las 4:08 p. m.
banhthieu 22 ABR 2023 a las 10:56 p. m. 
I really enjoyed reading everyone's contributions!

My thought was if I recall correctly the only character (save the lady who threw water on Hedwig) seen on higher ground was Moira and the suspicious/demonic figures. Moira's really high on my suspect list - definitely 1 or 2. As others have mentioned, she's also unusually chipper and despite the times we got to interact with her, we don't know very much about her backstory.

I'm also really suspicious of Margaret, especially when she broke down during Catherine's wake - a guilty conscience perhaps? It's clear she has the best navigation through the abbey and she has a habit of appearing very suddenly as if she's been watching your movements. As very few things are up to chance in this game, I suspect she's been keeping a very close eye on Hedwig.
lupin 23 ABR 2023 a las 8:20 a. m. 
I feel like I'm approaching this from a meta perspective rather than looking for clues, which probably isn't especially helpful—I need to do a re-read and take notes. Just going off mystery tropes: Eustace feels like too obvious of a red herring, so I've written her off. She's definitely involved in *something*, but I'd be shocked if she was responsible for the murder itself. I feel like Marta wasn't given enough focus to be a viable option either, so she's off my list as well. I never really suspected Katherine, but I feel like she's been mostly cleared.

Darcy was up there on my list until she told Hedwig that everyone kinda had a love/hate relationship with Catherine; that'd feel like a dangerous thing for the murderer to admit, unless she's just being really bold. Moira's probably top on my list, but I do worry that she's another red herring. Too pleasant and too blatantly mysterious?

Characters like Margaret, Adele, Angela, Charity, Adela, and maybe even Flora feel like more plausible candidates, since they're all kind of "middle of the road" suspicion-wise.
Foolster41 11 MAY 2023 a las 11:46 a. m. 
None of the nuns seem like murderes to me, my theory for a while was Darcy or Flora killed Catherine in some accident that also somehow looked suspicious, and so Katherine cut off her head to make it look like some random person killed her, and the delivery guy got caught up in it, they didn't intend for there to be an actual suspect.
Mothy 16 MAY 2023 a las 12:52 p. m. 
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My initial thoughts was that the Lord or whoever from the opening was hiding out at Linbarrow, and he was the culprit.
According to the prologue the plan is for the young man to hide out in the abbey around christmas, and Volume 1 takes place in November. I think he simply hasn't shown up yet, but will in future volumes.
Also worth noting that the regicide plot will probably be successful! Edward IV of England died under semi mysterious circumstances in April 1483
The way I see it, a conspirator considering the abbey as a good place to hide out is as good as saying "we have people there", so I think at least one of the nuns is in on it.

For the reasons people said, I think Moira would be a top suspect if the narration from present-tense Hedwig hadn't seemingly exonerated her.
Slimeking Mike 16 MAY 2023 a las 6:44 p. m. 
Of course, assuming that '83 Hedwig is the person we believe she is, or that the Culprit is successfully implicated at the end of the investigation.
Foolster41 16 MAY 2023 a las 8:02 p. m. 
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For the reasons people said, I think Moira would be a top suspect if the narration from present-tense Hedwig hadn't seemingly exonerated her.
I think I missed that, what is this?
Jörmungandr 4 JUL 2023 a las 10:02 a. m. 
My biggest Question right now is:

Why did the Mother Superior even start this investigation?

There is no real reason to question Angelas story; as the leader of this convent, the Mother Superior is supposed to believe in the innocence of the Nuns, unless she has clear evidence of the opposite (which she doesn't have right now). Even Bishop Richard Bell said so.

She is risking her excommunication or worse, all for the slightest chance to get the accolades for the investigation, if it successfully proves the innocence of James?

She only has her "Gut-Feeling", which is insane if you think of the likely consequences of the failure of this.

Does she have personal reasons to protect James or, at least, to believe someone else did it?

Reasons we don't know of yet?
Conciliator 15 JUL 2023 a las 7:23 a. m. 
It seems likely to me the murderer is "the handsome man."

While it would mean he arrived at the abbey sooner then indicated in the prologue, i don't really know why that prologue scene would be there otherwise.

I do hope this is not the solution as multiple parts of that would be nonsensical. For starters, the whole reason he would be at the abbey would be to have an alibi for the death of Edward IV...so if he was hiding out in secret then he wouldn't have an alibi.

Assuming that the "handsome man" is the murderer then their accomplice seems pretty clear. It's the Mother Superior and the Bishop. The whole reason he is staying there is the Bishop is in league with the Yorkists. The "Gentleman" directly says the Bishop is his man in the prologue. It makes the most sense that the Bishop would have told the Mother Superior who he seems to have done a variety of favors for as well.

The Mother Superior released Hedwig from her cell not to actually solve the mystery, but because she was unhappy that at the moment James is being fingered as the murderer and she has decided to use this opportunity to blame someone else, most likely Katherine. Why, i don't know but i can guess it's because she feels she is losing control of the Abbey due to Katherine. However, it is also possible Katherine has discovered something problematic.

The Mother Superior has been using Hedwig as a pawn to slowly lead her to the conclusion it's Katherine so then when Hedwig ultimately blames Katherine the Mother Superior can wash her hands of things and say it wasn't her fault. I can think of no other reason why the Mother Superior would somehow not be aware of Katherine having beheaded her husband and then sent Hedwig to ask around the town for information on Katherine that the Mother Superior would already be aware of.

The fact that Catherine clearly was not murdered by a beheading therefore makes it extra strange the murderer would choose to behead her after the fact. It was instead done to point the blame at Katherine. I assume the Mother Superior does not believe the Bishop will take any action against her for this plan given that the two are in league to hide "the handsome man" at the abbey.
popcorn astronaut 15 JUL 2023 a las 1:49 p. m. 
I'm generally not great at putting things together, but I love discussions about mysteries and I wanted to add some things. None of them are connected though, sorry...

- I think it's interesting that the letters that are supposedly sent from the village to Hedwig have never made it to her. It was Catherine's job (I think) so does that mean she's part of the plot against the king? If so, is that why she was killed?

- I tried to translate the Hebrew on the sword and the only thing I could come up with is "Urim"--which I wikipedia'd and still know almost nothing about. The Urim is a set with the Thummin, and the talk from Charity when Flora goes missing about two swords... and the Urim and Thummin being "a set of two objects used by the high priest to answer a question or reveal the will of God". Was Catherine's death a question or an answer? Or am I thinking too much about this? Is there another sword floating about the abbey? Would that matter?

- My favourite question is so basic though... who was watching Hedwig at the beginning when she threw her book out the window... He's one of my favourite sprites(?) characters(?)

Anyway like I said. I'm not great at this stuff. But this is what I noticed/caught my eye :) I'm sure someone else has good answers to these. And I'm so excited now for volume 2...!
Ambassador of Benevolence 19 JUL 2023 a las 7:23 p. m. 
I think the Superior is the apparition. When Hedwig throws the book out the window, the apparition sees it -- and the book returns to the locked Anchorage, and the Superior has the key.

We know the Superior is comfortable wandering around outside, like when they went to the guesthouse to see James.

When the apparition appears with the goat, Hedwig first suspects Angela, since Angela wasn't there -- but the Superior wasn't there either. We also know the Superior is really freaking tall.

Eustace was the apparition that burst into the Misericorde, but she wasn't very good at it -- she didn't fit into the armor and was immediately discovered. So I don't think she was the apparition otherwise. (The Superior also had keys to the library to get the armor and sword.)

Finally, at the end the Superior was just in her room, unaccounted for.

This doesn't fully make sense (why would Eustace lie about being the apparition the first time? why would the Superior return the book?) but it's something I was thinking about.

Darcy put out a fire in the dormitory the day of Catherine's murder -- do we know who had a fireplace in their dormitory?

Hopefully, the answers aren't too crazy. (Like literal demons.) I was wondering if the secret scene were the kind of visions Catherine had before she died, like From Hell.
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angelfoxtwix 8 AGO 2023 a las 2:27 p. m. 
I love these "Whodunit" Murder Mysteries, and those that take place in Historical Times are very appealing to me.

My thought is first "The Cloaked Swordsman" is probably the Lord. And depending on the opening story, he was probably conspiring with one of the nuns (either Catherine herself, or another nun) on the inside, along with the Bishop, and Catherine either died because A) she was too outspoken and about to spill the beans or 2) she spied the Cloaked Swordsman and the Sneaky Nun, and got caught, so she was murdered for "Seeing and knowing too much"

Which would have been one of the nuns? I will be honest, I think Sister Angela is a red herring. And honestly, Moira is way too innocent, I wouldn't be surprised if we found out Sister Moira had something to do with this.
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be nice to me 18 AGO 2023 a las 5:14 p. m. 
lots of thoughts, but the only concrete bit of evidence i have to add is that like how alex and flora are connected by the thing with their leg, the woman on the plane mentions that she got her watch as payment for some work, which is how eustace received her glasses.

the abbey was originally a castle. nobody knows who built it (it's no more than ~250 years old), but i don't think there's another explanation for the dungeon, and moira calls the cistern "the kind of water management you'd find in the richest castles." speaking of, that sure does sound like a good place for someone to hide...

my called shot is that something about catherine's vision caused her to fake her own death. eustace can't tell hedwig why she's watching over her / trying to warn her away, but it's supposedly not actually for bad reasons. she and moira are, i believe, the only ones who actually handled the body, eustace's story has huge discrepancies from angela's, and i find it hard to believe eustace or anyone else would care enough to leave the books for hedwig.

has anyone figured out what catherine actually named the cat? "campignon, capinian, or something like that." a champignon is a kind of mushroom, but it feels like there must be more to it than just that. i've been looking into 1462, (roughly) the year hedwig left germany. the wars of the roses actually started that year, and i'm also interested in the fact mainz (about 100 miles from trier) expelled its jewish population. which is pretty tenuous. but i'm feeling tenuous.

edit: alex mentions having read kapital. hedwig and karl marx were both born in trier before coming to england.
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Jörmungandr 20 AGO 2023 a las 1:21 p. m. 
I don't know the connection between medieval and the present time yet. How bad is Flora's leg? It could just be broken - a door beeing shut by the wind can't cut off a leg.

Maybe the abbey was initially planned as a castle, but during construction they run out of money (for the castle or the soldiers), so they decided to gift it to the church.
The Nuns admitted that neither this makeshift monastery nor the village is an ideal place for study or living (especially Angela, Moira and Katherine I), so the church probably thaught: "It is to remote for an proper convent, but it will do as a second class abbey for a bunch of second class nuns!"

Faking a dead is not for beginners - you need a convincing body with a head that looks alike yours.
Even if Moira and Eustace were in on this trick, other nuns (at least Charity, probably the Superior and Angela) have seen the body and believed it was Catherine II.
You can't just pull a wax figurine out of your sleeve, so someone needs to die for this, someone with a strong resemblance of yourself.

I hope we get Hedwigs backstory, but if it isn't something like she was born jewish and made to convert to christianity to have a better live somewhere else, then i don't see a connection between these events in the holy roman empire of germany.
(I read that the jews had to leave Mainz 1471, but that doesn't mean it wasn't difficult some years before.)
UnfriendlyGhost 21 AGO 2023 a las 4:06 p. m. 
Great thread, lots of thoughts and theories that hadn't occurred to me!

Something that stuck with me is that James may not have been the only outsider to arrive at the abbey that day. When Hedwig goes to the village, the description of the cart is that it has a chest "large enough that any of us could have fit inside" and that it's the same cart James arrived with. From what Katherine tells Hedwig, apart from delivering/collecting mail and supplies, James was also there for his liaison with Katherine. So he was away from the cart quite some time. Someone else could have hidden in the chest before he left the village, then got out after he left the cart.

Catherine's body & head were posed such that it's clear that it wasn't a random attack. It's Katherine the 1st who has a local connection & was accused of a beheading. It would make sense for someone from outside the monastery to seek revenge against her, but if such a person were a relative or ally of her late husband, they might have never met her in person. So, could it be a case of mistaken identity? (they overheard someone calling Catherine 2 and thus targeted her by mistake)
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