This game needs mod support ASAP

[Tristand555]

WE NEED IT!

[ActionScripter]

Not planned at this time

EDIT: Since this is the latest modding containment thread, I'll expand on the answer: GHPC, like many games, is moddable by default to those who put the effort in. If you want mods, make them. If you want a mod loader system, we can't help with that, as we're busy making the game.

[upuaut]

Originally posted by Josh:

Not planned at this time

Not bought at this time....

[harry]

Originally posted by upuaut:

Originally posted by Josh:

Not planned at this time

Not bought at this time....

This is the correct response. We are clear about our intentions for development and if this is a show stopper for you, it's better that you don't buy.

[BobobVanBlob]

Originally posted by upuaut:

Not bought at this time....

You should give a try to Operation Harshdoorstop if you want to mod a thing to maybe get a game but this time seems like those devs are focused on making a game first. Weird, I know.

[ALEX]

ASAP ... Always these demands. Modsupport, for what? It only makes sense when the game is finished and not when the content is constantly changing. Next thing, they'll be whining because every Early Access update breaks the mods. You can enjoy GHPC very well without mods and have fun.

[Sadist_cain]

Kerbal Space Program, Mount & Blade Bannerlord, Project Zomboid, Beam.ng drive, U-BOAT, Dwarf Fortress, Nebulous: Fleet Command and the list goes on.

The arguments against mod support so far are pretty terrible.

Originally posted by BobobVanBlob:

Originally posted by upuaut:

Not bought at this time....

You should give a try to Operation Harshdoorstop if you want to mod a thing to maybe get a game but this time seems like those devs are focused on making a game first. Weird, I know.

Mad a youtbuer can't make a game and wanna segue into that however possible and for some reason that means having mods is bad?

Originally posted by ALEX:

ASAP ... Always these demands. Modsupport, for what? It only makes sense when the game is finished and not when the content is constantly changing. Next thing, they'll be whining because every Early Access update breaks the mods. You can enjoy GHPC very well without mods and have fun.

Ok now you're mad about people can't use beta branches to freeze their game version when modding and therefore that also makes modding bad?

Originally posted by harry:

Originally posted by upuaut:

Not bought at this time....

This is the correct response. We are clear about our intentions for development and if this is a show stopper for you, it's better that you don't buy.

It makes more sense to have modding whilst the game is being developed for several reasons:

You have more eyes going through the code and testing far more rigorously than any average player, they find more bugs and are more likely to dig deeper to also help find out how to fix them.

It's not like having mod support within a unity game is at all difficult and using the built in bug report you can tell whether anyone uses mods and what they are.

Modders can also develops new systems, workarounds and methods for achieving things many developers haven't thought of, had time to implement or even believe to be possible.

You foster a far more positive community rather than a bunch of halfwitted backwards thinking curmudgeons with an axe to grind who wish to use your game as a vessel to do so.
Instead you can encourage forward thinking and development of the game whilst helping the next generation of developers to hone their skills by creating new things ad using your game as a vessel to do so.

Allowing people to develop their own mods in parallel to the main game's progression takes minimal effort for maximum reward and goes a long way towards making a slow painful drag from update to update far more engaging.

You never know where your next team member might be hiding within the players of the game itself (See KSP) or from where the next great idea will come from, the next gorgeous model or map could be out there just waiting to be a thing without any of you having to lift a finger.

You guys do you but mod support is game support and this choice for a small team working on a niche game doesn't seem at all wise.

Going to be a very very very long time at this rate before I'd go about recommending this to anybody.

[SillyScrotum]

id rather have trees that can break and better destruction effects like on trucks for example , no matter how much you shoot at it , it still looks like a perfect truck afterwards if you don't count the black smoke coming out of the engine.

[BleachOnTheRocks]

Do you guys understand that, to have mod support, it needs to be built into the game? You can't just "add mod support" like salt. It's a core part of how the game loads, operates and transmits information. P2P stuff is really hard and it needs to be build in from the ground. Yes, several games have added it later but it's so deeply hard to do that you would add another six months, minimum, to the dev time, with no guarantee that it would even work.

It makes sense to build the game now, as it is, and then add modding support. Even if they don't, community members would probably create tools to force loading into the game or connect people. Look at the H3VR-MP mod, now. H3VR is a game that was build entirely for single player but someone went and hacked it up and made the game bend to his will, able to have multiple people in a single map.

There's no telling what the future holds but as long as we keep disparaging and beating on the developers, they have no reason to go the extra mile. Pay them, understand that it's an early access game (you payed for an incomplete product), thank them that they took the time to do this, and trust that the game can only get better.

[ALEX]

Sadist_cain, why should i be mad? lol Josh already said there will be no mod support. At no point did GHPC's roadmap say that mod support was planned. Anyone who thinks this is essential didn't do their research before buying. But to demand this after the fact I find unfair and impudent to the developer. There was never any talk of mod support. It is the same as the demands for multiplayer. You could inform yourself extensively before buying, what to expect. How "great" mod support is you can see in all Early Access games (Valheim etc.), when a patch comes and the game no longer works. The developer is always blamed when the broken mod doesn't work.

The developer has a vision of his game. Now you can find this good and buy the game or leave it. Early Access doesn't mean: "I'll buy the game and the developer will build it the way I want it." I have more and more the feeling that today's gamers think that the world is all about them.

[Delta Dagger]

Originally posted by ALEX:

How "great" mod support is you can see in all Early Access games (Valheim etc.), when a patch comes and the game no longer works. The developer is always blamed when the broken mod doesn't work.

I'm still up on the air on how well auteur's theory can apply to games, but that's a discussion to be had for completed ones.

GHPC needs a lot of work. It's not very stable at the present, doesn't perform that well, and clearly has a lot of work to go.

[Sadist_cain]

I'm not entirely sure but that's an awful lot of of vapid platitudes about visions and roadmaps you haven't read far enough to see that they include multiplayer already?

Then there's the whining about whining by 'them' ?

Originally posted by ALEX:

Next thing, they'll be whining because every Early Access update breaks the mods. .

Then the slightly off the rails rant about people not "DoInG ThEiR ReSeARcH" and demands? Are 'they' holding people hostage now?
'They' have demands too?

You have a tiny axe to grind about 'them' rather than an on topic opinion, all you're focused on is being condescending and showcasing your self perceived moral superiority to 'them' and their supposed "demands".

So wind down the smug holier than thou attitude and dispense with the drivel.

'Them' and 'they' being a complete strawman of course and 'their' demands being more statement, opinion or discussion about things you don't like.

'They' can also just use a beta branch to pause updates to the game..

A tiny and fairly stupid portion of the population would complain about an in development game breaking mods with updates when they haven't frozen their version, a significantly tinier and vastly more stupid portion then gets offended by 'them'.

So I think that's enough about 'them' and certainly enough from you o/

[Delta Dagger]

I need mod support because the BMP-2 needs a better set of tits.

[BobobVanBlob]

Originally posted by Sadist_cain:

Mad a youtbuer can't make a game and wanna segue into that however possible and for some reason that means having mods is bad?

My favourite game of all time is BF2 mate and it had mod support with some of the best total conversions I've seen but before that the game was already good and I spent a good thousand hours playing it. The games you listed all have that in common they are solid and stable bases to work off.

Now let's flip that on its head and I'll make it about me, I don't like Paradox games and I don't like The Elders Scrolls but they both have mod support and I've spent way too much time trying to make myself like those games why can't mods fix that?

My actual question is: when people ask for mod support in GHPC it's always some guy that just points at modding and says "we could get good things for free, give us mod support, look at Kerbal" but it's never someone with the skill/talent/ideas of making the magic happen that says "okay here is what I really want to do with the game, I've done this on engine X, I want and can do Y and that way we'll get the Toyota War in the game, pls give mod support so I can do it" why is that?

It's a very rethorical question but I'm always surprised that most of the time it's people just like me that "know how to mod game by clicking install mod on nexus/workshop" but very rarely actual mod devs, why? I'd be very happy to learn that you actually are a mod dev and to learn about your plans for the game. Otherwise it's just hypotheticals that just occupy space on the steam datacentres.

[ALEX]

Sadist_cain, so much aggressive, extremist and selfish text ... I honestly do not care what you like and what "important" arguments you have for mod-support. The developer has already written his point of view and I'm glad he's focusing on his vision and not yours. I don't see a problem if there is no mod support. There are enough vehicles, the era is interesting and thank god no multiplayer with aggressive kids and haters. If I want to mod the current generation tanks into the game, then GHPC would be the wrong game for me and I wouldn't have supported it in Early Access. We are probably too far apart in age to come to a common opinion. Still, it's a bad habit nowadays to always demand instead of patiently waiting for results first. You can write a long text again, I don't care ... I am out of this very one-sided discussion.

PS: "ASAP" is a demand, so you demand. (As soon as possible)

[richardscholes50]

Finish the game and then see whats needed for modding, anyways every time there was a patch the mods are likely to be broken