M1 is impossible to kill?

[Eagle Beak]

Is anyone else having an issue where the M1 Abrams is impossible to kill when playing as the PACT? When fighting as the M1, you definitely have a big advantage against soviet tanks unless they flank you. I am often killed while getting too aggressive as an M1 commander. However, when fighting against M1 it seems that there are bugs that prevent them from being killed. To clarify: They can be critically damaged, but I cannot actually KILL a single M1. Even after flames erupt from the hatches, the M1 is still alive.

Most recent example, while playing as Red team on the Fog of War mission, I completely own the M1s by getting flank shots into their engine and close the distance for the kill. However, no matter how many times I shoot the M1s, from the flank, in the turret ring, even multiple shots IN THE REAR, these tanks do not die. After 15+ APFSDS shots through the rear, the turrets are still moving, and they are still firing on my team.

This is kind of a game-breaking bug right now. I've been playing this game since 2021 and its one of my all time favorites. However, this invincible M1 bug started recently. I'm not asking for balancing, that would just kill the charm of this game. I'm just asking to fix the obvious bugs with the M1. Thanks!

[orcbuster]

Might want to post some AAR screenshots to back this up.

[xtremist]

Originally posted by Eagle Beak:

Is anyone else having an issue where the M1 Abrams is impossible to kill when playing as the PACT? When fighting as the M1, you definitely have a big advantage against soviet tanks unless they flank you. I am often killed while getting too aggressive as an M1 commander. However, when fighting against M1 it seems that there are bugs that prevent them from being killed. To clarify: They can be critically damaged, but I cannot actually KILL a single M1.

Most recent example, while playing as Red team on the Fog of War mission, I completely own the M1s by getting flank shots into their engine and close the distance for the kill. However, no matter how many times I shoot the M1s, from the flank, in the turret ring, even multiple shots IN THE REAR, these tanks do not die. After 15+ APFSDS shots through the rear, the turrets are still moving, and they are still firing on my team.

This is kind of a game-breaking bug right now. I've been playing this game since 2021 and its one of my all time favorites. However, this invincible M1 bug started recently. I'm not asking for balancing, that would just kill the charm of this game. I'm just asking to fix the obvious bugs with the M1. Thanks!

I have reported this twice. Unkillable m901s fighting after direct hits to both crewmembers and M1 with flames coming from the hatches, turning the turret and shooting.

[Eagle Beak]

Originally posted by orcbuster:

Might want to post some AAR screenshots to back this up.

It would take a lot of screenshots, but I'm happy to do it if enough people call me out.

[BobobVanBlob]

M1s can still fire one more round if you blow up the ammo rack but do not breach the wall between the crew compartment and the rack, so be careful with that. I also did Fog of War Redfor and had no issue whatsoever killing the M1s from the side and the back. You really need to make sure you shoot at a slight angle from the side to pierce the wall between crew and ammo or shoot them from the back if you want a guaranteed one hit kill.

So either there is a totally new bug at this latitude, this time of the year, localised entirely within your install, then I'll ask one thing "May I see it?". Otherwise I'll have to break the bad news since I'm the specialist here, prognosis: skill issue.

Anyway, hope it helps or at least it got a slight nose exhaust out of you. I have some ham to steam.

Edit: oh yeah and malyutka/konkurs to the flank is quite lethal to the Abrooms too, try to use your atgm buddies, it might help.

[xtremist]

I have now 4 screenshots showing the problem. Abrams crew obliterated and still fighting.
First shot
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686724729/BAF57CCCC80A3DCC2C0690C7C082649B4D382A1A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Second shot
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686729454/F785096D2895E094EFECCDA93906F21A61D6452A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Third it survives a shot to the ammo rack
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686726253/23804D55BC28BD6C7371DF929E05E492F91CB36B/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Fourth it kills "me" through the wall
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686727004/1DB022DF2C05C3E43EDEBC5CF1BFD41632CE2D15/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[xtremist]

Do you still think it should work this way?
This is my third report of the occasional invincibility problem.

[Eagle Beak]

Originally posted by BobobVanBlob:

M1s can still fire one more round if you blow up the ammo rack but do not breach the wall between the crew compartment and the rack, so be careful with that. I also did Fog of War Redfor and had no issue whatsoever killing the M1s from the side and the back. You really need to make sure you shoot at a slight angle from the side to pierce the wall between crew and ammo or shoot them from the back if you want a guaranteed one hit kill.

So either there is a totally new bug at this latitude, this time of the year, localised entirely within your install, then I'll ask one thing "May I see it?". Otherwise I'll have to break the bad news since I'm the specialist here, prognosis: skill issue.

Anyway, hope it helps or at least it got a slight nose exhaust out of you. I have some ham to steam.

Edit: oh yeah and malyutka/konkurs to the flank is quite lethal to the Abrooms too, try to use your atgm buddies, it might help.

I'll see about screenshots next time I play. In regards to the skill issue, I've been playing this game since it was a kickstarter project in 2021, have played it minimum once/week for over 2 years, and likely have more hours than 98% of other players (this is one of my favorite games). I've beaten every mission and campaign from from sides, multiple times, and have killed plenty of M1s in past versions of the game (even with T-55s). That said, if you are 50 meters behind an M1 and shoot it 15 times in the rear with APFSDS and HEAT munitions, and it is still alive firing multiple times, I doubt there is a "skill issue". I studied every shot in the AARs. I killed every single crew member, destroyed the engine (killing the power), and hit every magazine. There is 100% a bug that keeps M1s from dying (if its not happening to everyone, then it must happen under certain conditions).

[BobobVanBlob]

Originally posted by xtremist:

I have now 4 screenshots showing the problem. Abrams crew obliterated and still fighting.
First shot
Second shot

Third it survives a shot to the ammo rack

Fourth it kills "me" through the wall

You are the unluckiest BMP in the world, first shot kills/maims/hits everyone in the turret except the gunner, it's in the red text. Second shot is unclear but you clearly do not go through the mantlet. Third shot does not breach the blast door so even if you detonated it, they wouldn't be out of the fight. Fourth shot is, yeah, object persistence is painful now that the bots have it.

You got some freak shots. Honestly that gunner in the first shot should play in the lottery, luckiest digital man alive.

[xtremist]

Originally posted by BobobVanBlob:

Originally posted by xtremist:

I have now 4 screenshots showing the problem. Abrams crew obliterated and still fighting.
First shot
Second shot

Third it survives a shot to the ammo rack

Fourth it kills "me" through the wall

You are the unluckiest BMP in the world, first shot kills/maims/hits everyone in the turret except the gunner, it's in the red text. Second shot is unclear but you clearly do not go through the mantlet. Third shot does not breach the blast door so even if you detonated it, they wouldn't be out of the fight. Fourth shot is, yeah, object persistence is painful now that the bots have it.

You got some freak shots. Honestly that gunner in the first shot should play in the lottery, luckiest digital man alive.

Pereviously i had m901 got hit by t72 multiple times, at least 5 shots injuring both crewmembers, and it just keep shooting TOWs. Other M1s flaming from the hatches for MINUTES stil fighting. Not just rolling down the hill, but turning the turret and shooting .
No matter how hard you try to defend the situation, it is not normal, and it is a recent phenomenon. Before the last open beta there was nothing similar, i have been playing ghpc since the first demo, and something is definitely not right.

[xtremist]

Originally posted by ddrcwa:

Originally posted by xtremist:

Pereviously i had m901 got hit by t72 multiple times, at least 5 shots injuring both crewmembers, and it just keep shooting TOWs. Other M1s flaming from the hatches for MINUTES stil fighting. Not just rolling down the hill, but turning the turret and shooting .
No matter how hard you try to defend the situation, it is not normal, and it is a recent phenomenon. Before the last open beta there was nothing similar, i have been playing ghpc since the first demo, and something is definitely not right.

If you have a chance please try uninstalling / reinstalling the game and see if that sorts things out. I've seen similar issues to what you've noted that seemed to start after the latest update and uninstall / reinstall seems to have fixed it.

Man, with my internet it takes a day... but i'll try, and thank you for the tip!

[♠_]

use cheat-fs and aim for the UFP

[Earth Spirit]

Originally posted by xtremist:

I have now 4 screenshots showing the problem. Abrams crew obliterated and still fighting.
First shot
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686724729/BAF57CCCC80A3DCC2C0690C7C082649B4D382A1A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Second shot
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686729454/F785096D2895E094EFECCDA93906F21A61D6452A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Third it survives a shot to the ammo rack
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686726253/23804D55BC28BD6C7371DF929E05E492F91CB36B/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Fourth it kills "me" through the wall
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214686727004/1DB022DF2C05C3E43EDEBC5CF1BFD41632CE2D15/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I noticed this before but i wasn't able to get details like yours. I created a topic similar to this and asked the dev if there's anything like cheatmode so player can recreate the test easily. 1 dev answered there's no tool like that.
I also notice that as the player, it's nearly impossible to disable the Abram's fighting capability by shooting its cannon. Maybe it was me making a bad shot, but disabling T-72 is very easy.

[plc]

Just disabled four Abrams after sneaking up on them from behind with a T-72. It took a lot of shots to put them out of action because catastrophic ammo explosions are much rarer than with Pact vehicles and the crew has a much higher survivability. Several times I hit the ammo storage at the back of the turret and triggered a fiery explosion but because the fighting compartment was not breached too badly the turret was still operable afterwards.

[Kropotkin ☭]

But after the first hit the bustle rack firewall is penetrated, shouldn't the third shot that cooked off the ammunition then also have the detonation spread into the crew compartment?

[dfebruary]

Originally posted by Eagle Beak:

Is anyone else having an issue where the M1 Abrams is impossible to kill when playing as the PACT? When fighting as the M1, you definitely have a big advantage against soviet tanks unless they flank you. I am often killed while getting too aggressive as an M1 commander. However, when fighting against M1 it seems that there are bugs that prevent them from being killed. To clarify: They can be critically damaged, but I cannot actually KILL a single M1. Even after flames erupt from the hatches, the M1 is still alive.

Most recent example, while playing as Red team on the Fog of War mission, I completely own the M1s by getting flank shots into their engine and close the distance for the kill. However, no matter how many times I shoot the M1s, from the flank, in the turret ring, even multiple shots IN THE REAR, these tanks do not die. After 15+ APFSDS shots through the rear, the turrets are still moving, and they are still firing on my team.

This is kind of a game-breaking bug right now. I've been playing this game since 2021 and its one of my all time favorites. However, this invincible M1 bug started recently. I'm not asking for balancing, that would just kill the charm of this game. I'm just asking to fix the obvious bugs with the M1. Thanks!

The East German tanks only get outdated surplus as ammunition, so you are not going to be able to frontally penetrate an M1, if you are in a T-72M and facing an abrams, try to use positioning so you can shot at their side and back armor, use your artillery and CAS, and go for mobility and firepower kills

Killing M1s should be easier once soviets are added, they should have ammunition capable of penetrating an M1 frontally, and penetrating an M1IP frontally at close range