Sengoku Dynasty

Sengoku Dynasty

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Winter's Embers 2023 年 8 月 12 日 上午 7:25
Please remember what THIS Early Access means
Whenever a game goes into Early Access release instead of Full Release, there is often confusion about what this means. That is understandable because Steam does not have a standardized definition of Early Access and publishers and developers all have different ideas about how Early Access should be utilized.
For this early access, you should understand that Sengoku Dynasty is not complete. It really isn't even very close. This is intentional. You can use the roadmap

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1702010/discussions/0/5911590080712643947/

as a kind of guide to help you understand what is still missing from the game play. Please check this to see if the aspects of the Dynasty-style of game play you most enjoy is integrated or not.
I have seen the publisher of Sengoku Dynasty, Toplitz, utilize Early Access in the past with great effectiveness. Its incomplete nature gives you, the player, access to the bare bones of the game so that you can experience what the basic game play will be. The content of the game that is available will not provide you with a full-game experience. If that is your expectation, then this Early Access is not for you.
This Early Access is designed to maximize player input for the final product. Most games release and this is what they are. There is very little interest by developers on what their core group of players might or might not want. Toplitz, as the publisher, seems to feel the exact opposite. They and the development team, Superkami, seem not only interested, but really want your input in what works, what doesn't, what you like, what you don't like. They peruse these forums and the discord actively. And you would be surprised, I think, at how often a well-worded, polite, and constructive idea actually makes it into the game. Nothing, except perhaps the engine being used (Unreal Engine 5) is set in stone. Your opinions matter.
When the game is updated, it will very likely carry a few problems along with the fixes it is trying to deliver. It happens. I don't understand programming very well but I can't imagine the difficulty involved in trying to change things on the fly, especially factoring in all the input the players are giving. Sometimes bad things will happen during an update. Patience is an absolute must for this Early Access. While we, as players, can sweep through a game's content in a few hours, it can take days to enact changes into the program, sometimes even weeks for particularly troublesome bugs. Please don't expect instantaneous fixes. Because the game is incomplete, the changes you're wanting may not even be in the game yet, let alone be able to be modified or fixed.
Please understand that while game-making may be fun, it is also work. The people making this game go to work like thee rest of us. They aren't there 24 hours a day, though some of them appear often enough in the forums to seem like they are.
*cough* nl_toplitz *cough*
While they don't keep banker's hours, they do need time away to unwind, unplug, and relax. They have weekends too. Hopefully with nice weather, barbecues, and friends to pass a pleasant afternoon with. So, sometimes there will be a few days between updates.
Finally, if you truly feel the need to flame, please do try to remember that, like you, everyone here is (probably) human, with feelings, emotions, and passions of their own. The Golden Rule is one that still applies today even if few remember what it really means. Treat others as you would have them treat you. Your opinions matter. Even if they're negative. How you present them shows more about you as a person as anything else you might do.
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Morri 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 12:19 
引用自 Sparrow
It's a dynasty game, and it doesn't even have farming implemented yet, should've been in the oven a bit longer before being released as early access imo.
Before it's released to be playable for your taste sure, but having content and mechanics missing is exactly what early access means.

I personally don't play early access games (with only 2 exceptions because those have so much content you can almost consider them a full game by now - UnReal World and Project Zomboid) for that reason. I want my free time I spend in a game to be relaxing and fun, and for me it's not fun when part of the story is missing, when not all mechanics are there, when important stuff i finally got used to suddenly get changed all around me with the next patch, when i'm stuck due to bugs etc. I want the fulll experience, so I'll wait.

It's ok not to like early access. What's not ok is to buy a game on day one that clearly states it a work in progress in early access, and then slam it a bad review because it is - in fact - early access and you expected more, like some do here.

What's ofc also not ok is for companies to bring out some half-baked garbage just to make some quick money, fool everyone with promises of greatness and then eventually disappear into the shadows. Sadly there are a lot of those which is why I err on the side of caution with early access.
With this publisher however, I've seen enough to know this will not be the case here! And what I've seen in the game already from dabbling a bit with it, I found impressive enough to be sure that once it's finished, I'll love it and will sink many hours in it.
Zervo⭐ 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 9:11 
this is alpha. not early access
Goldi_Toplitz  [開發人員] 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 9:16 
Stages for Early Access can vary. Some release pretty much done, some release extremely early and others somewhere in-between.

Personally, I believe releasing too early can be just as much of a problem as releasing pretty much finished. There isn't much room for feedback anymore in the latter case.
Zervo⭐ 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 nl_toplitz
Stages for Early Access can vary. Some release pretty much done, some release extremely early and others somewhere in-between.

Personally, I believe releasing too early can be just as much of a problem as releasing pretty much finished. There isn't much room for feedback anymore in the latter case.
any plan on showing different lock icon in the building/furniture?
like for example blue lock for content that can already be unlock in the current version, but require something (level, quest, etc). show the requirement info to unlock will be best.

red lock for content that are plan in the future but not implemented yet.
so we can differentiate between stuff that are already in the game and not.
Goldi_Toplitz  [開發人員] 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 9:30 
Not that I know, but that's a really good idea! Thank you.
Morri 2023 年 8 月 13 日 上午 9:32 
引用自 Zervo⭐
this is alpha. not early access
You just proved Blaze's point.
iFred 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 8:51 
Nice marketingpost. I know why some companies hire "Social Managers".
Winter's Embers 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 8:55 
Except I don't work for anyone. I'm a gamer, plain and simple. No developer tag on my postings, as you can see.
Morri 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 iFred
Nice marketingpost. I know why some companies hire "Social Managers".
Not sure what you could have against it. It's a very informative post and also warns potential buyers of the state the game is in, so they won't buy it with false expectations and then be disappointed resulting in all sort of disgruntled reactions - like yours.
Goldi_Toplitz  [開發人員] 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:14 
引用自 Winter's Embers
Except I don't work for anyone. I'm a gamer, plain and simple. No developer tag on my postings, as you can see.

We will raise your salary by 50% of what we are paying you now, good sir!
Morri 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:19 
引用自 nl_toplitz
引用自 Winter's Embers
Except I don't work for anyone. I'm a gamer, plain and simple. No developer tag on my postings, as you can see.

We will raise your salary by 50% of what we are paying you now, good sir!
Can you raise mine as well; by 75% please? :-D
Winter's Embers 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:23 
引用自 nl_toplitz
引用自 Winter's Embers
Except I don't work for anyone. I'm a gamer, plain and simple. No developer tag on my postings, as you can see.

We will raise your salary by 50% of what we are paying you now, good sir!
Sweet. That means my new salary will be... 0!

Hey, wait a minute....
SwordsOfTheSouth_Toplitz  [開發人員] 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Winter's Embers
引用自 nl_toplitz

We will raise your salary by 50% of what we are paying you now, good sir!
Sweet. That means my new salary will be... 0!

Hey, wait a minute....

Our salaries are measured in Keanu.
Noburu Ryubi 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:42 
引用自 Winter's Embers
If people spent as much time in the game and reporting their observations as they spent in the forums flaming and complaining, the game development would move that much faster.
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引用自 Winter's Embers
Except I don't work for anyone. I'm a gamer, plain and simple. No developer tag on my postings, as you can see.

Yet you have recieved Sengoku Dynasty for free and blaming others not to do developerʼs work for free? It is developerʼs work to release any title in ANY STAGE of development that is suitable for customers who PAY for it.
Early Access is missused as an excuse for many things these days.
I am really really sadenned how badly things around Toplitz had developed. Similar post about What Early Access means had been posted at the Wild West Dynasty forum.
People are very well aware of what Early Access realy means. But this doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with it.
Toplitz had a great community but it is wasting it in petty excused, weird decisions and not so friendly replies sometimes.
Now it seams you are releasing title after title to pay for repairing previous game. And I do not see if this is sustainable business model. Why had UE5 had been chosen for this game and for this community is really beyond me. Players of your games are not PRO gamers with fancy above average gaming rigs. And it is obvious that developer have a really hard time of optimizing Sengoku dynasty with many features missing. This does not give much hope that Sengoku dynasty will be playable on average PC/Notebook that most of your customers have, when it will hit full release.
It would be much wiser to postpone release of Sengoku dynasty until it is much, very very much more finished to repair your reputation after Wild West Dynasty.It would bring you many happy people really enjoying your product and would happily pay more than Sengoku dynasty will ever cost.Also selling a game guide in Early Access is really dumb. You should rather sell ancient suit of armor with no DEF stats (purely cosmetic) and the ability to choose a custom clan crest if you intended to make some cash.
I had put my hopes into Sengoku Dynasty to be a game I always wanted to play. Now my enthusiasm is over.
Please stop making your customers a fools who do not know how trashy gaming industry is nowadays.
Toplitz seemed to be a very good, very customer friendly company. A bright star in filthy pool of money-milking companies who do not care. But repeated belittling of your customers and unnecessary excuses are puting you reputation very low.
Winter's Embers 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:51 
引用自 SwordsOfTheSouth
引用自 Winter's Embers
Sweet. That means my new salary will be... 0!

Hey, wait a minute....

Our salaries are measured in Keanu.
50% more Keanu? Now THAT'S a pay increase!
最後修改者:Winter's Embers; 2023 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:52
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