normal refrigerator

[dr.Yang]

Good afternoon. If anyone has experience on how to make a normal refrigerator, please share, don’t hide it. Trouble with food.

[Sarge_85]

heres what i do. during fall before snow hits i make a 1 tile room with a pallet of water jugs in it. make sure all 6 jugs are full, lock the pallet and then seal it off with the last section of wall. you dont have to do it this way, i just like being absolutely sure no one can accidently steal any water from it. now you have a sealed up room with 6 water jugs. put a vent in 1 wall and set it to closed. now youre ready for winter to hit so they can freeze.

now you need to make the freezer room. that 1 tile of water jugs once frozen into ice will keep 8 tiles of storage room frozen. so now on the vented side attach a small room of 8 open tiles with a door for access. make sure its a door and not a straw curtain, any material of door works same as any material for the walls and roof works. just has to be sealed to keep the cold air trapped. you can use this room once frozen to store food in, or to produce more ice jugs. as long as the ratio is 1 pallet of ice jugs to no more than 8 storage spaces it will stay frozen even on the hottest days of summer.

i use this small room as my ice production room. if you get lucky you might get a freezing night at the end of fall. on my current game i had it freeze the night of fall 8th so the morning of the 9th i was able to move some food inside it early before it changed to the winter season.

now you can build an actual full freezer using the same 1 to 8 ratio of ice to food storage space. just keep in mind that the space for the ice jugs in the main new freezer you build is enclosed as well and the vents are shut so you can get the ice room fully stocked and enclosed so the jugs stay frozen. once the ice room is full, and the food section is enclosed, go ahead and open the vent between the 2.

as long as everything is sealed up tight and you used the correct ratio of 1 to 8, the freezer will stay frozen even in the hottest of summer days with no issue. i like to even stick my butcher block inside it with a meat rack on once side for meat & pluck from butchering animals and a hide rack on the other side for the raw hides and i stick a small stockpile area inside as well for corpses so they haul the deer or whatever straight into the freezer so they wont rot, and then butcher them and the meat and hides stay cold right from the start. no hauling needed.

hope this helps. lengthy description i know but i didnt want to leave any room for error or confusion hopefully.

happy hunting and freezing!

[dr.Yang]

Thank you, very good advice. I did it wrong, I put frozen water on pallets in the same room with food - that was a mistake. Now I will carry out tests.

[Sarge_85]

Originally posted by dr.Yang:

Thank you, very good advice. I did it wrong, I put frozen water on pallets in the same room with food - that was a mistake. Now I will carry out tests.

you can do that and it does work. its not wrong. i just find it less safe and reliable because you have to make sure they are completely full and stay locked so that no clanfolk accidentally steal some water off it. if they do then the ratio is off and it will thaw out after time. i like to always be 100% absolutely confident in my freezer reliability that it will NEVER fail lol. thats why i wall my ice jugs off separately from the food with no access to them once completed.

[Minxell]

All you need to do to keep clan members from taking the water jugs is place the icon with the red x with the circle around it on the pallets you don't want them to take the jugs from.

[dr.Yang]

I plan to do the following: seal 4 trays of water with 28 cells each. Don't make a door.
Make two vents, one to the street, the other to the warehouse. Adjust them as the temperature changes. I'll let you know the results.

[Sarge_85]

i know theres going to be comments on this of ''oh you dont have to do all that!'' i was just trying to give a detailed step by step very reliable system ive come up with with very very low chance of failure. theres many many methods that work. i just gave one that i can always be very very confident in.

[dr.Yang]

Originally posted by Sarge_85:

i know theres going to be comments on this of ''oh you dont have to do all that!'' i was just trying to give a detailed step by step very reliable system ive come up with with very very low chance of failure. theres many many methods that work. i just gave one that i can always be very very confident in.

Thank you

[Saint Graz]

i build a full sized room with all the blueprints lay'd out but cancelled except the water jugs and mabe one shelf then fill them and just wait for winter to freeze them .if u got the fur gear your hunters can get some meat n fish to get u through the winter and then when i build the rest of the shelf as i need them it hides the jugs behind . Also u dont need a floor in it can really help cut down workload

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[dissent]

Originally posted by dr.Yang:

I plan to do the following: seal 4 trays of water with 28 cells each. Don't make a door.
Make two vents, one to the street, the other to the warehouse. Adjust them as the temperature changes. I'll let you know the results.

I would advise against venting the room with the ice jugs to anywhere other than the adjoining food storage. Open/closed vents have a habit of being forgotten. For example, I did a small room with three ice pallets, vented to a 20-tile adjoining cold room. I closed the vent to help the room freeze quicker, and the jugs duly froze in late Fall. Things went great until Spring, when I suddenly had dozens of rotting meat. I thought the jugs had melted but a quick check showed that they hadn't. What had happened is that after the jugs froze, I forgot to open the vent to the cold room. It was fine during winter, the cold inside the mountain was enough to preserve the food without ice jugs. But come Spring...

We get frequent 'bug' posts from people complaining that the heating model is broken and their fires aren't warming rooms. Every time, it's an open vent or a Straw Curtain leading to outside instead of a door.

There is no reason to ever change vent settings in a cold room. Either have the ice jugs in the same room as the food but Stop the pallets to prevent workers tampering with them. Or, if you want to enclose the ice jugs in their own room, vent it to the cold room where the food is and nowhere else. Once the jugs have frozen, open the vent and then never touch it again.

[Rane]

When you make your empty Jug Pallets in the future cold room, set them to a higher priority than normal so that Folk will bring full Water Jugs and leave them. Set them to 8 or 9 prio, and wait for a minute till there are 6 x 100 Water Jugs on the Pallet. Even if they bring a partly-filled Jug at first, the higher priority means they'll bring another and top off the not yet full jug. Then you have 6x100, Stop the Pallet, wait for the first freeze.

The first time in a game, if you have a Stopped Pallet when you get Ice Jugs for the first time, they may pop off the stopped pallet. You may have to unstop the pallet, disallow Water Jug, and wait for them to put the Ice Jugs back on the Pallet. But then, 6x100 Ice Jugs on a Stopped Pallet, you never have to think about it again.

One pallet of 6 Ice will keep 9 tiles, including the tile of the Pallet, cold. Several people will tell you this, several people have independently run tests to re-derive this number, myself included. Sometimes I used to try to use the 'vent to the outside' method to get Ice Jugs to happen a bit earlier; it never seems to matter. Either get them frozen in a mountain-roofed room on, what, Fall 9? Or just wait till W1 or 2 for them to freeze. That's just how it do.

[dissent]

Also never put a Food stockpile near your ice jug pallets, i.e. within about 2-3 tiles. The jugs will pop into the Food stockpile when they freeze. Then you have to unStop the pallet to replace them as Rane explains above. Ice jugs will also pop into empty pallet slots. So if you're filling pallets in winter and have six jugs on pallet A but only four in the adjacent pallet B, jugs that freeze first in pallet A will jump into pallet B.

[Sarge_85]

yep and thats why i explained my method the way i did. all of that comes from times when something went wrong in some way and i learned. also from reading lots of ''bug'' posts like dissent said. i do it the way i do it to be almost fail proof. the only way it can once done is if the player messes with the single vent once set correctly, or some part of the structure gets changed. its near idiot proof. which is good for me cuz....nevermind :P lol.

[The Former]

As someone who doesn't do refrigerators, here's my advice:

For the first winter, gather *lots* of mushrooms in autumn, which will allow you access to the drying rack. You can facilitate this by chopping lots of trees in summer and clearing the grass around the stumps (leave the stumps though; clear the grass on the stump, but leave the stump itself). Mushrooms grow really well by tree stumps.

Dry plenty of these and be ready to hunt for anything else you need. If you're not confident in seeing animals in the winter, get a couple deer in late autumn and store the meat in a small room with an open vent. The natural cold air should preserve it as emergency rations.

Thereafter, oats and a tiled peat stove will erase all your winter food woes.

[Minxell]

I love how this game gives us so much variety to go about doing the same things.

[Sarge_85]

Originally posted by Minxell:

I love how this game gives us so much variety to go about doing the same things. :ap_reallyhappy:

absolutely. different ways of looking at and solving a problem.