Questions on outcast marriage protocols

[dissent]

I've started a settlement which will be populated by one faux Hermit couple and then only outcasts and their offspring. Let me present a theoretical year 3 clan:

Male founder member A, who is married to
Female founder member B, who have had
Child C
Female outcast D, who is not married in to the clan but gives birth in the settlement to
Outcast child E
Female outcast F, who is not married in to the clan but gives birth in the settlement to
Outcast child G

Presumably the OG couple's child C can marry either outcast D or F assuming they're the opposite sex. There may be a significant age difference but still.

Can the OG couple's child C marry outcast child E or G, assuming opposite sex? What if female outcasts D or F were married in to the clan by that point? Would it enable C marrying E or G, or would it prevent C from marrying E or G, because their parents are both clan members and they are thus 'blood relatives', even though they aren't?

Can child outcast E marry child outcast G, assuming opposite sex, even though neither they nor their mothers are clan members?

Could child outcast G, assuming he is male, marry female outcast D? Neither would be in the clan by that point but they are living on the premises and they are not blood relatives. Again there would probably be a significant age difference but that shouldn't prevent marriage.

I'm just trying to get a sense of what works and doesn't at this point. My sense is that in order to facilitate such a clan, the best would be to take an OG couple and have them pump out babies asap, preferably starting in the first Summer already. If their kids are male, that would get a marriage pool of sorts going for female outcasts who arrive. Although marrying in the mothers might disbar their children from getting married seeing as they are now clan members even though not blood relatives.

[ShaderonDark]

Very good question and I wanted to know this too bu was having trouble wording it! ;-) You have done really well here even though I still had trouble following it with my crazy mixed up neurons.

[TechRabbit]

They will offer marriage based on relative age. They will want to marry the persons around the closest age to them. Unless they are blood related to the current clan you have they cannot marry out. The outcast mother actually has a clan: Clan Outcast and is just a worker of that clan visiting you. In almost all situations (unless the clan babies become adults before the outcast babies) clan babies will want to marry the outcast babies.

[dissent]

Are the outcasts not from the trading clans? I accepted my first outcast and, some time later, got a follow-up that her husband wanted her back. I refused to give her back. At that point, the Plains clan became visible in my Clans section. I haven't put up any signs, not even the Messenger sign, so I have had zero contact with any clan and the other three trading clans remain question marks. I can only assume that the outcast I accepted was from the Plains clan and that refusing her husband's request counted as 'making contact' with that clan.

[Grace1957]

This sounds like so much fun. I can't wait for all the testing to be done. I've been waiting for other ways besides workers to add to the clan such as a wounded hunter found or a lost child, etc.

[oetzina]

Originally posted by dissent:

Are the outcasts not from the trading clans?

Yes and no. I also now that my first outcast came from the mountain clan because she arrived from the north and the male messenger was from that clan also. But, since she was outcast, I guess she cannot claim that clan as her own anymore and is now a member of clan "Outcasts". Interestingly, there is an actual outcast clan tartan - blue and black in my case - that shows up for the outcast woman in my family tree. I married off one of my sons and they left towards the north together. If you click on the tartan in the family tree, the clan Outcasts shows up in your clan tab with zero stars and points.

[dissent]

Ah right, so they start with a regular clan and then join the hypothetical entity of Clan Outcast. Which is kinda what my settlement is, the concrete realisation of that hypothetical entity. Unfortunately I can't even give them plaids in my colours because I have no access to Wool. Nobody comes to my settlement except outcasts. No traders, no travellers, no day workers. It's completely isolated. So just my OG couple and the outcasts. It's fun.

[TechRabbit]

Originally posted by dissent:

Are the outcasts not from the trading clans? I accepted my first outcast and, some time later, got a follow-up that her husband wanted her back. I refused to give her back. At that point, the Plains clan became visible in my Clans section. I haven't put up any signs, not even the Messenger sign, so I have had zero contact with any clan and the other three trading clans remain question marks. I can only assume that the outcast I accepted was from the Plains clan and that refusing her husband's request counted as 'making contact' with that clan.

They are not. They are specifically from "Outcast" clan. It isn't until the father arrives that this changes and it only changes if you send her away with him. If you choose to keep her she has no tartan next to her profile image.

[oetzina]

Here is a screenshot of the Outcast tartan in my game. Does everybody's look the same?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3075814547

[dissent]

I can't see mine yet because I haven't married anybody in. My family tree only has my two OG clan members and their child. My Clans section just has the Plains clan unlocked and three question marks for the others. I don't see any mention or sign of the Outcast clan.

[oetzina]

I think the only place you can see it is the family tree if you marry one of your sons off to her and they leave. As long as she is an unpaid worker she shows no tartan. As soon as she is married in she is part of your own clan and never shows the outcast tartan.

[TechRabbit]

Originally posted by dissent:

I can't see mine yet because I haven't married anybody in. My family tree only has my two OG clan members and their child. My Clans section just has the Plains clan unlocked and three question marks for the others. I don't see any mention or sign of the Outcast clan.

Yeah because it is a "background code" clan. Not really visible except when she marries into the clan.

[TechRabbit]

Originally posted by oetzina:

I think the only place you can see it is the family tree if you marry one of your sons off to her and they leave. As long as she is an unpaid worker she shows no tartan. As soon as she is married in she is part of your own clan and never shows the outcast tartan.

I THINK her child has the same effect,

[dissent]

Originally posted by Grace1957:

This sounds like so much fun. I can't wait for all the testing to be done. I've been waiting for other ways besides workers to add to the clan such as a wounded hunter found or a lost child, etc.

It's tremendous fun. I'm known as a lazy gamer, I like doing as little as possible to get as much benefit as possible. Importing women who are already pregnant, rather than marrying them in and getting both spouses in the mood to conceive, strikes me as a grand plan. :D

The problem is that you are in the lap of the gods when it comes to sex. And I don't mean the act, I mean the gender. My current clan, which started with just two Hermits and the rest are all outcasts, is up to 8 members now in Winter 3. But both the OG couple's two kids, as well as one of the two outcast's kids, were girls. Luckily the other outcast had a boy, who has now married the older girl of the OG couple. So they can have kids of their own. But unless you get lucky and have a constant stream of boys, many of the clan are resigned to life as spinsters. Which is also OK, the settlement is essentially a haven for abused women who have been cast out by their own families, it makes sense the clan would be majority females.

Still, it's frustrating as you count down the seconds to a new baby with a yes, yes, yes...

"Oh..."





"...another girl"

[Grace1957]

I have no doubt Blorf will see this and add men into the mix somehow.

[dissent]

Gah, unfortunately my plans for an isolationist settlement have been scuppered. The outcast women who arrive offer to work for free. Their babies, when they reach juvenile age and can work, want payment. The daughter of my one outcast has reached juvenile stage, I have to pay her daily, and there is no way I can marry her in as I have no men. I have three babies on the way but even if all three were born today and were all boys, it would still take sixty days before they reach adult stage and can marry the demanding worker. I don't have funds to pay her for sixty days, even at just 13 Coin per day. So I have to put up the Trader sign and sell some stuff to get Coin to pay her. Oh well, it happens.

It does make the outcast mechanic a LOT less appealing, though. Unless you find some way to kill off the baby, you're stuck with an outcast juvenile that you can't get rid of, can't marry in, and must pay for 40 days - their entire juvenile phase - until you can do something with them. That makes them about ten times as expensive to marry in as a day worker. And unlike a day worker, you can't pick their traits. And you have to marry them in (or off) as a matter of urgency. Because every day you delay is another day's pay. Ooof.