Freezer

[Ariel_Brown]

Hi, I'm a little frustrated with trying to build a freezer. I keep trying new ways, but it always thaws out as soon as summer comes. I've tried double walling, with double doors like a hallway entrance, ice jugs on a few pallets. It still thaws out. It's frustrating watching all of my food rot. I'm in year 6 and still can't get a solid working mechanic. I don't have any more mountains by me that are close enough.

[Philtre]

You don't need double doors or double walls. You also don't need to build in a mountain, although it helps reduce the amount of ice you need. All you need is:

1. Enough ice jugs; one full pallet (6 jugs) will keep 9 tiles of floor area cool all year round (more if the room has mountain roof). Make sure all the jugs are 100% full, or they will be less effective.

2. No heat flow into the room. So no torches or other fire sources (windows are fine, they don't affect temperature), and no vents or openings to the exterior or to other rooms.

If your freezer is OK through spring but melts in summer, most likely you don't have enough ice jugs for the size of your room.

[Ariel_Brown]

Originally posted by Philtre:

You don't need double doors or double walls. You also don't need to build in a mountain, although it helps reduce the amount of ice you need. All you need is:

1. Enough ice jugs; one full pallet (6 jugs) will keep 9 tiles of floor area cool all year round (more if the room has mountain roof). Make sure all the jugs are 100% full, or they will be less effective.

2. No heat flow into the room. So no torches or other fire sources (windows are fine, they don't affect temperature), and no vents or openings to the exterior or to other rooms.

If your freezer is OK through spring but melts in summer, most likely you don't have enough ice jugs for the size of your room.

I'm thinking I might not have enough, or might not have them spread out. I have a 13x10 room with 7 pallets of ice jugs. Only one of them isn't full with jugs. No torches or light of any kind. No vent.

[Philtre]

Originally posted by Ariel_Brown:

I'm thinking I might not have enough, or might not have them spread out. I have a 13x10 room with 7 pallets of ice jugs. Only one of them isn't full with jugs. No torches or light of any kind. No vent.

13x10 is 130 tiles. If it's not in a mountain, you'll need 14.5 pallets of ice jugs, so say 15 for simplicity. They don't need to be spread out; the temperature is calculated based on the room as a whole, the position doesn't matter.

[Ariel_Brown]

Originally posted by Philtre:

Originally posted by Ariel_Brown:

I'm thinking I might not have enough, or might not have them spread out. I have a 13x10 room with 7 pallets of ice jugs. Only one of them isn't full with jugs. No torches or light of any kind. No vent.

13x10 is 130 tiles. If it's not in a mountain, you'll need 14.5 pallets of ice jugs, so say 15 for simplicity. They don't need to be spread out; the temperature is calculated based on the room as a whole, the position doesn't matter.

Okay, I'll definitely work on getting more then! Hopefully I'll have it right by next summer. Thank you for your swift responses!

[Sarge_85]

1 full pallet of 600 ice will keep 7 tiles cold. the pallet tile itself and 6 storage squares. (even in a 100% straw built building).

[TechRabbit]

Originally posted by Sarge_85:

1 full pallet of 600 ice will keep 7 tiles cold. the pallet tile itself and 6 storage squares. (even in a 100% straw built building).

*9 tiles cold. Calculation is 1 jug per 1.5 tiles

[Sarge_85]

Originally posted by TechRabbit:

Originally posted by Sarge_85:

1 full pallet of 600 ice will keep 7 tiles cold. the pallet tile itself and 6 storage squares. (even in a 100% straw built building).

*9 tiles cold. Calculation is 1 jug per 1.5 tiles

so the pallet tile plus 8 for food then. nice. guess i was erroring on the safe side.

[The Former]

If you ask me (and granted, no one did, so feel free to ignore me here), freezer's not the way to go in the game. Much rather, smoking meats and drying mushrooms. Grain is another excellent source of sustenance as it harvests in large amounts and keeps reliably. And the stuff that does eventually spoil? No big deal, it's turned into fertilizer that helps the next batch of food grow.

It's very much about getting what you need each winter, as opposed to Rimworld, where the strategy is to stockpile food indefinitely.

[Philtre]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

If you ask me (and granted, no one did, so feel free to ignore me here), freezer's not the way to go in the game.

You pretty much need a freezer if you want to use the cooking pot or any of the fancy stews over the winter, since most veg won't last until the winter freeze except for the last fall harvest. Farming the vegetable crops gets very micromanage-y and kind of not worth it if you don't have a way to store them long-term.

[Finjachan]

in theory you could harvest enough mushrooms in the last days of fall and just store them in a room without heating. then you could use the cooking pot over winter (because spoilage is blocked due to low temps and in theory it is no freezer). Neeps/onions should also stay fresh long enough to get over winter. (spoilage timer = 43200 = 24 days) And in spring you can grow them again.
(of cause it would be the last harvest before winter but in theory mushrooms have a spoilage timer of 4 days. so fall 7 is good enough to start gathering the winter supply. and its not too late in my opinon)
but you would need more planning. i like Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren's approch. just need some time to try it. ^^
It would prevent a high days of food count. but it would be historically more accurat ^^

[The Former]

Originally posted by Philtre:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

If you ask me (and granted, no one did, so feel free to ignore me here), freezer's not the way to go in the game.

You pretty much need a freezer if you want to use the cooking pot or any of the fancy stews over the winter, since most veg won't last until the winter freeze except for the last fall harvest. Farming the vegetable crops gets very micromanage-y and kind of not worth it if you don't have a way to store them long-term.

That explains it. I generally save my vegetable harvests for the end of autumn. It's only oats and hay I harvest multiple times per year. My folk have seasonal diets:

Spring: Mostly eel and brose, some dried meats.
Summer: Mixture of eel, meat, and berries.
Autumn: Meat and some brose.
Winter: Stew and brose, supplemented by dried meats if we have a surplus that year.

[sbhink805]

i put a light in my freezer not hard to do when under a mountain or have extra frozen jugs.