the thing about rro extended ...

[stagehand__18]

Please, just make it a mod. Having to attach it and dis-attach it is a PITA. Start game. attach. end game ... dis-attach ... uh oh ... I ended the session ... oh wait, forgot to dis-attach ... can I save it? don't quit game ... go back in? AHHHH!!! game crashed!!! wait ... re load the save ... Did it save the way I wanted .... ??? FATAL ERROR!!! Ahhhh!!!!!!

[Sharidan]

I understand these things can be frustrating, but before spending a lot of time complaining about 3rd party tools, I would recommend you spend a little time learning what the environment is like:

Keume is doing everything he can to lock down the game and restrict modding the game and that includes how the EULA is worded, legally attempting to stop people from accessing the game contents.
RRO itself has ZERO support for anything external, so there is no modding API, no modding support, no way to "correctly" interact with the game, as per keume's wishes.

RROx / extended, gains access to the game data by hacking the game's memory while the game is running, which is why you have to attach and detach when using RROx with the game. Attaching starts the game memory hacking, that provides the raw data that RROx needs to provide the functionality you get from RROx. When ending a session, you therefore also have to detach from the game, so things can be shut down gracefully and not leave "junk" in your computer's memory.

Other 3rd party tools make use of externally reading the savegame data format, manipulating the contents / data of the save files and then writing the changes back to disk - either directly in the save game folder (like my tools did) or via web up- and download.

We are forced to jump through a lot of hoops because of the limitations and restrictions, to provide the services and features we as 3rd party developers provide through our tools and none of us are getting paid a dime for any of our work.
To ♥♥♥♥♥ and whine like this, is utterly disrespectful to all of us who spend a lot of our free time to provide you the tools you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about.

[Django]

Originally posted by Sharidan:

Keume is doing everything he can to lock down the game and restrict modding the game and that includes how the EULA is worded, legally attempting to stop people from accessing the game contents.

Heck, is it illegal to use RROx? I can not imagine building tracks without flying and doing yard work without remote loco control. Not using would render the game literally unplayable for me;((

I dont get this. Games like Fallout 4 clearly shows that modding boosts/prolongs sales like crazy.

Otherwise no, i have no trouble with it. I do no problem with RROx i never detach it and keep it running to the end. Re-ataching eventually.

[Django]

Originally posted by TLHeart:

technically, just play Railroads online violates the EULA, because you have to connect to a network to even get the game to start. Keume was informed about it, and sad no nothing is wrong, and continued on.

Ah, alright then.
There are obviously some mental blocks (as usually) when it comes to one man shows. Lets hope the publisher will ease some.

Modding can generate tons of content "for free" a boost sales of the base game.

[Nomis]

We can only hope someone else makes an equivalent game and let keume suffer the consequences...if any

[Skorj]

Originally posted by TLHeart:

look at the games astragon publishes, they have no modding so they can sell you DLC's every couple of months.

Sure, but the publisher can choose their battles. If it were my game, I'd lock out modded locomotives and embrace modding for everything else. People seem to love the new locos, and the game has a decent pipeline for adding them, seems the best target for eventual DLC (and the most common kind of DLC in train games I think). Pick all the stuff there's just no plan to deliver in the next year or more, like new maps, and throw those doors open.

[stagehand__18]

Never intended to be disrespectful. But I've played a few pc games since Windows 95 and Mods have always been part of the equation. Some are just "Eye Candy" that add variety and fun. But some turn out to be so useful and loved by players they actually become so much a part of the experience of playing that the developers actually embrace and sometimes later actually incorporate the mod into later versions of the game. And the Mod Creator is embraced and compensated for their contribution.

Hard to give examples without naming other games. But for me, Mods make games better and make them last longer.

What I think of as "Script Mods" change the way the game plays and make tedious tasks faster and easier to do. Even if they sacrifice "Realism". Flying is not realistic. Nor is teleporting. But these additions to RRO make it more fun to play. When playing is cumbersome and boring, we won't play for long before moving on to something more fun.

I suppose some game developers don't really care if you keep playing or not, once they got your $49,99 for buying the game, you can go to hell for all they care. Again, I won't name names of other games here. But I assert that loyal, loving fans insure financial success for developers in a number of ways ... they will buy DLC and custom content. They will tell their friends to buy the game. They will also be the first to buy "Railroads Online 2" if and when that comes out.

Not to say Mods are always a good thing, especially online in PVP. But this is not that.

[DeW']

Originally posted by Skorj:

Originally posted by TLHeart:

look at the games astragon publishes, they have no modding so they can sell you DLC's every couple of months.

Sure, but the publisher can choose their battles. If it were my game, I'd lock out modded locomotives and embrace modding for everything else. People seem to love the new locos, and the game has a decent pipeline for adding them, seems the best target for eventual DLC (and the most common kind of DLC in train games I think). Pick all the stuff there's just no plan to deliver in the next year or more, like new maps, and throw those doors open.

That's what most of smart dev. studios do. Check ETS2, check Cyberpunk2077, GTA5, Skyrim .. they are still one of the most played games. This game aims to something different. I'm jsut waiting for micro transactions. locos to be bought on marketplace ... It looks like mobile game, it feels like one too ...

[Puncake]

This is the officual forum for railroads online, not rrox. There's a discord for that.

[Django]

Originally posted by TLHeart:

look at the games astragon publishes, they have no modding so they can sell you DLC's every couple of months.

Ha, naive me. No mods thanks to publisher then.

Well i paid as few hundreds of EUR on TSW routes and locos. Have no problem to do it with RRO too, if the content will be worth of the money.

But for now, the base game is unusable without RROex.

[Mort Gleeham]

What's wrong with this game that it can't be used without this 3rd party app?
Do the trains not run? Can't the switches be set? Does the coupling of the trailers not work? Or is it impossible to lay the tracks?

I have to admit that I am a bit confused if someone is not able to play this game without cheating.
I am a single player with over 1000 hours in the game and have never used rrox. And never missed it either.

[Lizardman8891]

Originally posted by Brueckenverbrenner:

What's wrong with this game that it can't be used without this 3rd party app?
Do the trains not run? Can't the switches be set? Does the coupling of the trailers not work? Or is it impossible to lay the tracks?

I have to admit that I am a bit confused if someone is not able to play this game without cheating.
I am a single player with over 1000 hours in the game and have never used rrox. And never missed it either.

I’m in the same boat as you. Does it improve gameplay? I’m sure it does. From what I hear it has a better map than the in-game one. But is the game completely unplayable without it? Absolutely not.

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by Brueckenverbrenner:

What's wrong with this game that it can't be used without this 3rd party app?
Do the trains not run? Can't the switches be set? Does the coupling of the trailers not work? Or is it impossible to lay the tracks?

I have to admit that I am a bit confused if someone is not able to play this game without cheating.
I am a single player with over 1000 hours in the game and have never used rrox. And never missed it either.

I wouldn't play this game without RROX. When I first bought this game, I was quickly disappointed and probably would have returned the, but I already have a few hours trying to make it work.

Two things are the reason that I now have 200+ hours in this game:

1) RROX - it adds so many QOL features that the game is missing and make the game much more enjoyable.

2) The game update that made laying tracks easier -- but it could still be better.

As for "cheating", I felt "cheated" by the game before the above 2 features were available - as it was something I paid for but did not enjoy.

[Schlappspaten]

The game is absolutely playable without rrox. The main reason for me using rrox was the autosave function. That is now included in the beta. Flying cheat is nice for pictures but I never used it for laying tracks. The minimap and loco remote are nice for single play, but the game is intended to be played by multiple players. It can be played alone but then you need to be creative. I.e. you can setup some wall markers or bridge sections to show where to stop to spot your cars.

[Django]

Originally posted by Brueckenverbrenner:

What's wrong with this game that it can't be used without this 3rd party app?
Do the trains not run? Can't the switches be set? Does the coupling of the trailers not work? Or is it impossible to lay the tracks?

I have to admit that I am a bit confused if someone is not able to play this game without cheating.
I am a single player with over 1000 hours in the game and have never used rrox. And never missed it either.

Well technically it CAN be played.
But for example track laying is pain without flying, especially while building bridges and you have to run around after every segment. It is also very confusing sometime when you try to understand the terrain from the ground.

Also switching is real pain in a.. without remote control provided by RROx.

So it can be played technically, but its no fun. For me game which can not be enjoyed is unplayable.

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by Django:

Well technically it CAN be played.
But for example track laying is pain without flying, especially while building bridges and you have to run around after every segment. It is also very confusing sometime when you try to understand the terrain from the ground.

Also switching is real pain in a.. without remote control provided by RROx.

So it can be played technically, but its no fun. For me game which can not be enjoyed is unplayable.

Agree, in addition you can control multiple engines easily, loading is much faster when you don't have to run back and forth to the engine, the map in RROX is much better, -- RROX just takes out a lot of the grind.

Without RROX, everything in the game takes 2-3 times a long.

Yes, you can play without RROX, but I wouldn't.