Who the hell made the new Locomotive Textures

[Weißbrot]

What the hell happened to the new loco textures, we have now a toxic green and strange red and blue in RRO, WHYYYYYYYYYY?

[lukeandben912]

Even through all of this games problems at least we have some new engines and a cool interactive train sim when it comes down to it we just all love running trains

[terrellj22]

Bruder Tac eredeti hozzászólása:

Toxic Green? Perfect paint for the community

Lol

[boris.glevrk]

lukeandben912 eredeti hozzászólása:

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if it was shipped from factory, coal-fired steam engines are not painted shiny.
You will only find coal fired steam engines in some particular, "coal-smoke-friendly" colors, and the new red/green/blue just isn't that.

Yes the matte would be nicer more glossy colors are really across the pond in England their locomotives are glossy but a small narrow gauge engine in the middle of nowhere? Nah not staying shiney.

Not really, even Class E5 ("Thomas") and A4 Pacific ("Mallard") are not really shiny. The colors are just a bit... bland? I mean it's a specific kind of finish for coal-fired machine.

[Dkz1181]

There is nothing wrong with the Ruby's colour schemes, ive seen plenty of narrow gauge steam engines with Red and Green paint jobs, the old England engines and Fairlie engines from the UK all have similar colours, they even had a nice royal blue hunslet engline called linda, before they changed her colour to green

[boris.glevrk]

Dkz1181 eredeti hozzászólása:

There is nothing wrong with the Ruby's colour schemes, ive seen plenty of narrow gauge steam engines with Red and Green paint jobs, the old England engines and Fairlie engines from the UK all have similar colours, they even had a nice royal blue hunslet engline called linda, before they changed her colour to green

it's not a bout red/green. I mean, just compare the two greens from Ruby Basin. The default one is okay, the alternative one (IIRC number 3 paint) is not.

[bjp4850]

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

it's not a bout red/green. I mean, just compare the two greens from Ruby Basin. The default one is okay, the alternative one (IIRC number 3 paint) is not.

But it is authentic...
http://www.australiansteam.com/6A.htm

[boris.glevrk]

bjp4850 eredeti hozzászólása:

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

it's not a bout red/green. I mean, just compare the two greens from Ruby Basin. The default one is okay, the alternative one (IIRC number 3 paint) is not.

But it is authentic...
http://www.australiansteam.com/6A.htm

It's not. the picture is a lot darker and less shiny.
The picture also doesn't feature the lighter green part... these are NOT the same livery at all...
I literally went back to shop to look again and seriously, how even dare you to try to pretend these are the same livery? The in-game livery is two tone green with both tones much lighter than the pictures you provided, not to mention the IRL one doesn't even have a lighter green part to begin with.

[bjp4850]

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not. the picture is a lot darker and less shiny.
The picture also doesn't feature the lighter green part... these are NOT the same livery at all...

Picture or not, the real 6A absolutely is two tone green (source, I've ridden behind it...)
Yes the game models are a little light (the greens are close, the red is way too light for Canadian red and chocolate brown which is the real Baldwin works livery), but the locos are painted in gloss paint.

[boris.glevrk]

bjp4850 eredeti hozzászólása:

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not. the picture is a lot darker and less shiny.
The picture also doesn't feature the lighter green part... these are NOT the same livery at all...

Picture or not, the real 6A absolutely is two tone green (source, I've ridden behind it...)
Yes the game models are a little light (the greens are close, the red is way too light for Canadian red and chocolate brown which is the real Baldwin works livery), but the locos are painted in gloss paint.

I have been struggling to describe what I mean... Sure, real life loco paints are not entirely "not glossy", but they usually have a "less glossy", "more oily" kind of finish. Like... if you compare steam loco paint versus modern car paint, you will see your reflection (albeit not good enough to be used as a mirror) on a car, but not on a steam engine. I'm not saying the in-game paint is modern car paint, but it's still too glossy.

And no, according to your picture, the real life one has only one tone of green which is darker than the "dark" green in-game (paint #3), and the light green is ENTIRELY NOT EXIST.
I would say the picture you provided is closer to paint #1 in terms of color tbh.

By the way in a different thread there are people who literally found the exact same paint scheme in toy train catalogues, so I'd say it's no longer open for debate. Some of the new paint schemes are just not legit.

Edit: I saw a different pic you posted earlier on this post.
Yes the real life part has two toned green WITH THE DARK GREEN SO DARK I THOUGHT IT WAS BLACK.

It's definitely far, far, far worse than your suggested "a bit" too light. This was like 50%~70% too light on the brightness slider.

[boris.glevrk]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2946786455
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Puffing-Billy-Lok_6A_%282%29.jpg

Here, I made the screenshot.
You call this "a bit" too light? It's so far off that one can hardly say it's the same livery.

[CovertJaguar]

It's not the colors, its the texture, or lack thereof. Too much speculative, not enough matte, too much saturation, no texture (flat color, no noise). These were rushed by someone who doesn't usually make textures. That's what I see here sadly. Done properly, these color tones should look awesome. Unfortunately, we got oiled plastic.

The MAV 475 over in Derail Valley has the same problem:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/498/498-1664662723-658702681.jpeg

It was so bad I had to make my own textures:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/555/555-1675720926-1634360303.jpeg

[boris.glevrk]

CovertJaguar eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not the colors, its the texture, or lack thereof. Too much speculative, not enough matte, too much saturation, no texture (flat color, no noise). These were rushed by someone who doesn't usually make textures. That's what I see here sadly. Done properly, these color tones should look awesome. Unfortunately, we got oiled plastic.

The MAV 475 over in Derail Valley has the same problem:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/498/498-1664662723-658702681.jpeg

It was so bad I had to make my own textures:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/555/555-1675720926-1634360303.jpeg

Actually the texture in RRO is okay. You can see that color even appears to change according to the sunlight's angle. (Not in your DV example, for instance)
It's still the coloring problem, too light, too bright, too reflective.

[DeW']

CovertJaguar eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not the colors, its the texture, or lack thereof. Too much speculative, not enough matte, too much saturation, no texture (flat color, no noise). These were rushed by someone who doesn't usually make textures. That's what I see here sadly. Done properly, these color tones should look awesome. Unfortunately, we got oiled plastic.

The MAV 475 over in Derail Valley has the same problem:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/498/498-1664662723-658702681.jpeg

It was so bad I had to make my own textures:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2750/images/555/555-1675720926-1634360303.jpeg

I agree. Also rest of the asset ... like old engone shed. There are no textures or simply so low quality that hurts the eye.

[Hawkins656]

Skorj eredeti hozzászólása:

lukeandben912 eredeti hozzászólása:

if you don’t like the game then leave.

When people say "toxic community", this sort of thing is what they mean. Don't be that guy.

to start, yeah its a bit toxic to say that but the rest of this is equally too. You guys are entitled no not like all of the colors but the fact remains there's still two colors that meet your guys demands. Plenty of other locomotives in this game don't have the luxury. And all of this over a locomotive I wasn't able to find pictures of until a generous person linked them here to make a point. and of course this petty argument continued because this game must be representative of "realism".

Now if I am piecing this together correctly, I am a "child" for having a taste for the color of green that this locomotive comes in. I certainly would have appreciated it if community was more open to healthier discussion when it comes to topics like but we get what we get don't we. But that's just my observation, and I'm being serious here, my thoughts don't matter. This game is someone else passion project, its my choice to play it, all they owe me is what they want to put in. Someone put time and effort into getting those paints fitting to the locomotive and working in the game. And when they finished that, they were happy with it, if they weren't they wouldn't have left it in, that much I know from my own experience.

Before I get to my closing remark, let me come back to the "what type of game this is" debate. The game is a sandbox with a realistic premise. A lot of stuff is based in reality, but even more importantly it is up to the player for how they want to go about playing the game. Maybe you want an extensive 7 lane switching yard to stage your major hauls, or maybe you want to make a massive death spiral coming down from the top of the mountain. Maybe you want to model your company after the roots of the Rio Grand Railroad, maybe you want to to be the guy whose railway is titled "ES&D" (East Sh*t and Die, from the youtube channel Hyce). Having a variety of paints is part of that player sandbox.

All I'm asking is for you guys is to be a little more considerate. If you want a feature in a game changed, you're not going to get anywhere by stepping on everyone's toes with a with a rant about how brighter colors aren't realistic. If you want results, either ask politely and have a good chance that the devs will consider it, or even suggest a new more accurate color scheme/s in addition to not replace something people already care about. Show that you care not just about the product, but the work they put in to make that happen, and maybe they'll work some miracles for you too.

All I want in writing this long ass post that I really have no expectation that anyone is going to read, is to see this community be worthy of being called a community. I'm just having some faith that you guys want that too.

[bigoneg8016]

boris.glevrk eredeti hozzászólása:

lukeandben912 eredeti hozzászólása:

I’m assuming that they made it so shiny as it was a “as shipped from the factory” but the blue on the ten mile needs to be darkened abit but a matte maroon on the ruby basin would look fantastic it would be cool if they had a weathering feature or something since they wouldn’t be shiny for long.

Even if it was shipped from factory, coal-fired steam engines are not painted shiny.
You will only find coal fired steam engines in some particular, "coal-smoke-friendly" colors, and the new red/green/blue just isn't that.

you have any photo evidence of this? since all locos i have seen fresh from overhaul are shiny and not matte(i will provide photo evidence if requested)