old dream cast gun

[Sharky]

Is there a way to rig or buy or do anything in the realm of idea that can get a gun controller working like the dreamcast had way way back in the early days of this master piece

[Wiesshund]

You could use a Sinden Lightgun?
That is what i use

[Sharky]

say
what fellow metal head. do enlighten the shark which is me lol on this device please. Ill gift you Canada as a reward lolzzzzzzz, but seriously share this wisdom cause ill forever be in debt if I get to dream cast House of the dead again. This would be a dream casted into a never thought to be possible reality again come true. Get it Dream....casted lol knee slapper and another beer goes to me lol

[eypyeash]

Originally posted by Sharky:

say
what fellow metal head. do enlighten the shark which is me lol on this device please. Ill gift you Canada as a reward lolzzzzzzz, but seriously share this wisdom cause ill forever be in debt if I get to dream cast House of the dead again. This would be a dream casted into a never thought to be possible reality again come true. Get it Dream....casted lol knee slapper and another beer goes to me lol

There's a bunch of options. Google some videos about what you think is best, then go find somewhere to buy (usually online).

The Sinden is fiddly as hell but has the benefit of not attaching a bunch of sensors to your monitor. It's laggy, so feels like a more sluggish Wiimote. The recoil is good at first and rapidly fades off because it's all fed through the single USB, and the capacitor doesn't charge fast enough to keep kicking hard.

The Gun4IR is like a super Wii sensor, VERY fast. It's also very expensive because it's just a kit, and the few you buy all-in-one are basically boutique soldering jobs.

I would recommend going to grab the RetroShooter guns. Their new RS3s have fantastic weight, lots of buttons, and are basically just gun4IR tech, but at the price of a Sinden.

Now... the fun part is this game is broken. The patch they released made things actively worse. Basically, instead of doing raw mouse input, it works in offsets. When you pause, when you unpause you've just screwed up your cursor position. Level ended? Cursor position dead. You'll have to get comfortable configuring stuff like demulshooter and the arcade mod to stop this nonsense. The devs dropped this game over two years ago, so there's no real hope of them correcting the issue,

House of the Dead Overkill works great out of the box (through Typing of the Dead Overkill), though. As do a few other Steam titles. But many you'll have to do a bit of fiddling, which devs have often fixed up. Google and you're on your way.

[Wiesshund]

I have not found the sinden fiddly at all, not to mention it is quickly portable to any number of computers.
Play at my desk, on my laptop, out on the 300" theater screen

As far as the game, and the update?
Works just fine if you follow this
https://www.sindenwiki.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Dead_Remake
Argonlefou's arcade mod plugin works quite fine, can even use 2 guns with demulshooter
which takes all of 2 min to set up.

[eypyeash]

Originally posted by Wiesshund:

I have not found the sinden fiddly at all, not to mention it is quickly portable to any number of computers.
Play at my desk, on my laptop, out on the 300" theater screen

As far as the game, and the update?
Works just fine if you follow this
https://www.sindenwiki.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Dead_Remake
Argonlefou's arcade mod plugin works quite fine, can even use 2 guns with demulshooter
which takes all of 2 min to set up.

It's heavily reliant on your PC to process the images and decide where the cursor is, resulting in significant lag that's quite noticeable compared to the IR sensor solutions. While none compare to a CRT, Sinden is the furthest away from the mark by a pretty long shot compared to the Gun4IR or Retroshooter four-emitter setups. Like, truly not even close, even on a high end AMD PC. The other two options are SLIGHTLY laggy but much faster, and have exceptionally low jitter while not demanding high contrast screen situations for best results.

Sindens do work, probably better than Aimtrak, but with Retroshooters for the same price and no software at all to run... meh.

[Wiesshund]

Originally posted by eypyeash:

Originally posted by Wiesshund:

I have not found the sinden fiddly at all, not to mention it is quickly portable to any number of computers.
Play at my desk, on my laptop, out on the 300" theater screen

As far as the game, and the update?
Works just fine if you follow this
https://www.sindenwiki.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Dead_Remake
Argonlefou's arcade mod plugin works quite fine, can even use 2 guns with demulshooter
which takes all of 2 min to set up.

It's heavily reliant on your PC to process the images and decide where the cursor is, resulting in significant lag that's quite noticeable compared to the IR sensor solutions. While none compare to a CRT, Sinden is the furthest away from the mark by a pretty long shot compared to the Gun4IR or Retroshooter four-emitter setups. Like, truly not even close, even on a high end AMD PC. The other two options are SLIGHTLY laggy but much faster, and have exceptionally low jitter while not demanding high contrast screen situations for best results.

Sindens do work, probably better than Aimtrak, but with Retroshooters for the same price and no software at all to run... meh.

Dunno, i don't have any lag at all.

The retroshooters are nice but
They are not very portable

And you get issues on a 200" / 300" or larger screen.
You could build IR emitters for it of course, but no fun to drag those around.

[eypyeash]

Originally posted by Wiesshund:

Originally posted by eypyeash:

It's heavily reliant on your PC to process the images and decide where the cursor is, resulting in significant lag that's quite noticeable compared to the IR sensor solutions. While none compare to a CRT, Sinden is the furthest away from the mark by a pretty long shot compared to the Gun4IR or Retroshooter four-emitter setups. Like, truly not even close, even on a high end AMD PC. The other two options are SLIGHTLY laggy but much faster, and have exceptionally low jitter while not demanding high contrast screen situations for best results.

Sindens do work, probably better than Aimtrak, but with Retroshooters for the same price and no software at all to run... meh.

Dunno, i don't have any lag at all.

The retroshooters are nice but
They are not very portable

And you get issues on a 200" / 300" or larger screen.
You could build IR emitters for it of course, but no fun to drag those around.

You're absolutely getting lag on Sindens. Turn on your crosshairs, go from top left to bottom right of the screen as if reacting to something popping up. You'll see it drag slowly as it processes the images and figures out where the mouse is supposed to be. In the Sinden app you get a delay metric, actually... it's objectively slower than any delay from the IR-based systems.

Portability is certainly a factor. But I'm not out here trying to play on a 300 inch screen. 80 is about tops.

[Wiesshund]

Originally posted by eypyeash:

Turn on your crosshairs, go from top left to bottom right of the screen as if reacting to something popping up. You'll see it drag slowly as it processes the images and figures out where the mouse is supposed to be.

Except
I do not get that

At all.

If i did, i'd not be using the things.
Your describing something absolutely unplayable.

[eypyeash]

Originally posted by Wiesshund:

Originally posted by eypyeash:

Turn on your crosshairs, go from top left to bottom right of the screen as if reacting to something popping up. You'll see it drag slowly as it processes the images and figures out where the mouse is supposed to be.

Except
I do not get that

At all.

If i did, i'd not be using the things.
Your describing something absolutely unplayable.

Well, right. When I say "slowly", I'm not talking a five second stroll across the screen, but certainly enough time to shoot a few times and watch it slide into place. If I snap up from below the screen right onto a target, I'll shoot off-screen with a Sinden because the movement was too fast. I had to hesitate before each shot in Mad Bullets to make sure it was pointing where it should have been pointing, AFTER tuning it to be as fast as I could make it without wild jitter. We're talking a handful of frames off at most, probably, but if you can't tell the difference between a CRT, the Gun4IR, and a Sinden, you'd have to be completely oblivious to delay or playing on a really, really poor response TV that's hiding it from you because it's drawing the picture near when your pc is done calculating. If you're running multiple frames behind playing on a custom color profile on a basic 80 inch LCD panel, maybe you wouldn't catch it because you're adding a few extra frames of processing in there. On a 1ms delay LCD monitor, though, or a fraction of a millisecond gaming OLED, it's really clear.

[GamerXT]

Originally posted by Sharky:

get a gun controller working like the dreamcast had way way back in the early days of this master piece

That was HotD2.

[Wiesshund]

Originally posted by eypyeash:

Well, right. When I say "slowly", I'm not talking a five second stroll across the screen, but certainly enough time to shoot a few times and watch it slide into place.

No sorry, you're back pedaling.

Does Not Happen

Don't know how to make it any clearer to you.
If you get that, something very wrong with your setup or PC not up to the task.

And i dont use a TV at all, unless we are playing on the 300" projector
which is latent all by itself regardless of what you are doing but good enough for shooting some 7 feet tall zombies between movies etc.

[eypyeash]

Originally posted by Wiesshund:

Originally posted by eypyeash:

Well, right. When I say "slowly", I'm not talking a five second stroll across the screen, but certainly enough time to shoot a few times and watch it slide into place.

No sorry, you're back pedaling.

Does Not Happen

Don't know how to make it any clearer to you.
If you get that, something very wrong with your setup or PC not up to the task.

And i dont use a TV at all, unless we are playing on the 300" projector
which is latent all by itself regardless of what you are doing but good enough for shooting some 7 feet tall zombies between movies etc.

It's not backpedaling. It's why the Wii, the PS Move, etc were all worse for these sorts of games... they were slow. The Sinden is damn near the same, and the others are faster. Like, objectively so. You get a feel for it in things like online fighting games without rollback, shmup ports done poorly. Only a few frames, but it's enough to feel far, far off from a CRT.

And yes, your giant projector means you probably wouldn't see it. It's happening, but your setup is such that the processing is obscured by your massive latency, or you've got some 10-20k PC powering your setup on a mega DLP projector. Open your Sinden app, look at it. It's telling you how long it's taking to process things. I would bet, though, your setup is disqualifying you from even understanding what's going on behind the scenes due to introducing 7-8 frames of lag itself. I'm on a 7950X 16-core 4.5 ghz processor with 128 gb ddr5 and a 6950XT GPU, using a pair of 1ms LG Ultragear monitors. The hardware is fine. It's well-demonstrated that the Sinden is slower throughout the internet.

[Wiesshund]

Originally posted by eypyeash:

It's not backpedaling.

Yes, it is

It's why the Wii, the PS Move, etc were all worse for these sorts of games... they were slow. The Sinden is damn near the same, and the others are faster. Like, objectively so. You get a feel for it in things like online fighting games without rollback, shmup ports done poorly. Only a few frames, but it's enough to feel far, far off from a CRT.

Again, no, i'm sorry but if your processing time is that long, then something is wrong on your end, you should have Way under 2ms, if you dont then something is wrong on your end.

And yes, your giant projector means you probably wouldn't see it. It's happening, but your setup is such that the processing is obscured by your massive latency, or you've got some 10-20k PC powering your setup on a mega DLP projector. Open your Sinden app, look at it. It's telling you how long it's taking to process things. I would bet, though, your setup is disqualifying you from even understanding what's going on behind the scenes due to introducing 7-8 frames of lag itself. I'm on a 7950X 16-core 4.5 ghz processor with 128 gb ddr5 and a 6950XT GPU, using a pair of 1ms LG Ultragear monitors. The hardware is fine. It's well-demonstrated that the Sinden is slower throughout the internet.

Stop back pedaling again and repeating the already stated obvious.
No one gives a flying F about the latency of a big screen projector, even a keyboard has latency on that.
Nobody cares, it is expected, I already said it has its own inherent latency and you're on about 'Yes but the projector...'
Forget about the projector, it isn't your redeemer.

[GamerXT]

Originally posted by eypyeash:

with 128 gb ddr5

What requires 128 GB though ? Unless it's used for other media I guess.

[Wiesshund]

Originally posted by GamerXT:

Originally posted by eypyeash:

with 128 gb ddr5

What requires 128 GB though ? Unless it's used for other media I guess.

Maybe he does a lot of DB work or similar?
Or runs a large abundance of stuff simultaneously?
I guess heavy video editing could maybe chew that much up?