Still has Denuvo on?

[D.G.]

Seriously? Nearly 2 full years after release and they still having this piece of crap on?
Isn't steam a good enough DRM? Since that IS what steam started out as.
Really no excuses at this point, I guess another game I will forget about. I am looking at you Doom Eternal!

[Malevolent ▲]

They removed Denuvo from Eternal like a year ago, but seeing your post and many others complaining about horrible stuttering in this game I can only assume the culprit is yet again, denuvo. So instead of buying it, I'll just forget about it and go buy that re4 remake instead. Thanks champ

[Engoni]

I really hope they can remove denuvo so the game becomes playable!

[JocularJosh]

Denuvo is NOT the culprit as even the console version of the game stutters. It’s an engine issue.
Even removing denuvo won’t resolve your issues.

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Originally posted by Engoni:

I really hope they can remove denuvo so the game becomes playable!

i finished this game three times, it's very playable

Originally posted by Malevolent ▲:

They removed Denuvo from Eternal like a year ago, but seeing your post and many others complaining about horrible stuttering in this game I can only assume the culprit is yet again, denuvo. So instead of buying it, I'll just forget about it and go buy that re4 remake instead. Thanks champ

re4 has denuvo

Originally posted by SpoocularJosh:

Denuvo is NOT the culprit as even the console version of the game stutters. It’s an engine issue.
Even removing denuvo won’t resolve your issues.

right, it's shader stutter

[Malevolent ▲]

@space Yeah my bad, after making that comment I watched digital foundry's vids on yt about this port, cleared up the denuvo confusion, well if re4 remake has denuvo then I guess Ill get cyberpunk hehe

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

IF this game is so successful why does it hinder its performance by using denuvo???

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Originally posted by OMEGAMAN:

IF this game is so successful why does it hinder its performance by using denuvo???

it doesn't hinder its performance

[dafydd]

I refuse to play this game even tho I bought it on day of release, i have 100 minutes played and most of that time was me trying to figure out why my game is stuttering on low settings on my 6k gaming rig... Once they remove denuvo in 2037 maybe I will consider playing it again.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by dafydd:

I refuse to play this game even tho I bought it on day of release, i have 100 minutes played and most of that time was me trying to figure out why my game is stuttering on low settings on my 6k gaming rig... Once they remove denuvo in 2037 maybe I will consider playing it again.

I mean at this point you already failed at your "crusade" since you already gave them your money. Day-one money, at that.

And, once again, it's an ENGINE ISSUE. Meaning even if they were to remove Denuvo (they won't) you will still experience the same stuttery mess.

So you might as well just remove this game entirely from your library. They will never fix it.

[dante.dal]

Originally posted by Malevolent ▲:

They removed Denuvo from Eternal like a year ago, but seeing your post and many others complaining about horrible stuttering in this game I can only assume the culprit is yet again, denuvo. So instead of buying it, I'll just forget about it and go buy that re4 remake instead. Thanks champ

Digital Foundry said the game has stuttering issues due to the Frostbite engine, and maybe also because of the way the game was build, but I think that maybe Denuvo might also play part in the traversal stuttering.

Personally, and this is only my opinion, I think Denuvo is probably the biggest culprit, but we'll have to wait for EA to remove it in order to see if it makes a difference.

[Greed Is Addiction]

Originally posted by Malevolent ▲:

They removed Denuvo from Eternal like a year ago, but seeing your post and many others complaining about horrible stuttering in this game I can only assume the culprit is yet again, denuvo.

Stuttering, crashing, and other game issues are almost always denuvo. It just goes against company policy to ever admit that.

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

And, once again, it's an ENGINE ISSUE. Meaning even if they were to remove Denuvo (they won't) you will still experience the same stuttery mess.

Devs used the same scapegoat excuse for Callisto Protocol, now that denuvo is gone so are most of the stuttering problems. There's no rational explanation for defending the inclusion of crippling malware which contributes zero to game optimization or the end user experience, and it only serves to fill the pockets of that altered state of thinking from the greed addiction program. DRM has always been designed to cripple or thwart.

Your post is a great example of people who live out their lives hopelessly breathing in all the lies for some kind of special hidden powers, powers which the devs told you were there but were never real.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Greed Is Addiction:

Originally posted by Malevolent ▲:

They removed Denuvo from Eternal like a year ago, but seeing your post and many others complaining about horrible stuttering in this game I can only assume the culprit is yet again, denuvo.

Stuttering, crashing, and other game issues are almost always denuvo. It just goes against company policy to ever admit that.

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

And, once again, it's an ENGINE ISSUE. Meaning even if they were to remove Denuvo (they won't) you will still experience the same stuttery mess.

Devs used the same scapegoat excuse for Callisto Protocol, now that denuvo is gone so are most of the stuttering problems. There's no rational explanation for defending the inclusion of crippling malware which contributes zero to game optimization or the end user experience, and it only serves to fill the pockets of that altered state of thinking from the greed addiction program. DRM has always been designed to cripple or thwart.

Your post is a great example of people who live out their lives hopelessly breathing in all the lies for some kind of special hidden powers, powers which the devs told you were there but were never real.

I‘m sorry but I’ve stated countless times on this board that I’m against denuvo but also that I’m against people spreading misinformation.

Your “it’s almost always denuvo” statement is simply not true. In almost every most recent case denuvo has not been the culprit in any way.

Resident evil village. Hogwarts legacy. And now dead space.

Even digital foundry agrees with me here, they did their research and came to the conclusion that it’s an engine issue which is precisely why even console versions are affected.

And before you ask why cracked version run better:
Even those still have denuvo running in the background. The cracks simply bypass the initial check.

Do your research or at the very least give me some actual details/arguments to work with next time. Simply attacking me out of nowhere only proves my point.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

I‘m sorry but I’ve stated countless times on this board that I’m against denuvo but also that I’m against people spreading misinformation.
[...]

Why do you bother trying to correct those rumours? The FUD is Denuvo's mess. Let them deal with it.

No one has conclusively debunked claims that Denuvo affected performance in Hogwart's Legacy or Resident Evil Village. All we have are statements from interested parties throwing the blame around, with no independent proof or tangible evidence. This casts doubt on their credibility and, by extension, on anyone who tries to defend or clarify on their behalf. You don’t correct rumors with more speculation.

I would know, despite being fervently anti-Denuvo, I've been trying to dispel that die-hard rumor about Denuvo harming SSDs so we can focus on actual proven issues. It's pointless as it's just more noise to people who are already skeptical. Which is why I chose to move my focus on preservation and issues with the online requirements, which are more easily verifiable and I suggest you do so as well - If you're actually against Denuvo, that is.

Recent developments with Denuvo retracting their claims that they could prove their DRM had no performance impact only muddies the waters further. In the end, it’s their mess to clean up. Don’t bother defending them; it’ll only get you lumped in with the controversy. Denuvo backtracks plans to prove their DRM doesn't impact performance[twistedvoxel.com]

[Greed Is Addiction]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

Do your research or at the very least give me some actual details/arguments to work with next time. Simply attacking me out of nowhere only proves my point.

You're not being attacked. Many people have been posting evidence for years and years, and we always have the same handful of clowns covering their eyes, and demanding evidence. Being anti-denuvo while defending it tooth and nail is a bit of a contradiction on your part. The word "worry" comes from two Greek words, best translated to "divided mind".

Obviously I'm not here to partake in any kind of fraud which involves someone lining their pockets by emptying out someone else's. That's the main issue I have with the world today; whether it's the CEO or the criminal thug on the street the objective is the same - to separate another from their wealth such that it's in your pocket instead. If you can't sense any kind of theft from that analogy, I doubt you could ever honestly assess the whole Denuvo-crippling issue being reported for years.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Why do you bother trying to correct those rumours?

That is a WILD question to ask.
Why do I bother correcting people spreading misinformation?
Because I feel like it. It's nothing to you. I know the correct information and people spreading misinformation ends up in a hot mess of various people not knowing what's what anymore.

Seriously, spreading misinformation and rumours is such a hot topic with news outlets and the internet in general I can't wrap my head around someone being genuinely confused as to why someone would dare to try to debunk misinformation lol.

Originally posted by lukaself:

No one has conclusively debunked claims that Denuvo affected performance in Hogwart's Legacy or Resident Evil Village. All we have are statements from interested parties throwing the blame around, with no independent proof or tangible evidence. This casts doubt on their credibility and, by extension, on anyone who tries to defend or clarify on their behalf. You don’t correct rumors with more speculation.

The stuttering mess ended the second capcom removed their own DRM.
That's your proof right there.
What denuvo did, at worst, is eat a couple of frames here and there. That's it.
I know because I was there. I experienced the stutter and I experienced the stutter magically going away after a patch.
I was there discussing this with tons of people.

I watched benchmarks, shared information, made my own benchmarks and even conversed with people cracking these games.

Originally posted by lukaself:

I would know, despite being fervently anti-Denuvo, I've been trying to dispel that die-hard rumor about Denuvo harming SSDs so we can focus on actual proven issues. It's pointless as it's just more noise to people who are already skeptical. Which is why I chose to move my focus on preservation and issues with the online requirements, which are more easily verifiable and I suggest you do so as well - If you're actually against Denuvo, that is.

Yes and that is precisely why I dislike Denuvo. The whole authentification process, being forced to be online at specific intervals and all that.
That sucks and has absolutely no business being in any game that can be played offline.
It locks people out of their game for no reason and I am fully against anything like that.

Originally posted by lukaself:

Recent developments with Denuvo retracting their claims that they could prove their DRM had no performance impact only muddies the waters further. In the end, it’s their mess to clean up. Don’t bother defending them; it’ll only get you lumped in with the controversy. Denuvo backtracks plans to prove their DRM doesn't impact performance[twistedvoxel.com]

I mean sure, that's true but I don't care one bit.
Most people who discuss this topic are stubborn and ignorant anyway and I have gotten used to that.
But I have also helped a lot of people that way so I will keep doing what I'm doing.
It's always good fun to see some diehard denuvo-haters (again, I dislike it too) show their true colors and exposing themselves to be misinformed children.

With dead space we have multiple sources stating that denuvo is not the culprit of the stuttering issue.

With hogwarts Legacy not a single "benchmark" of the cracked copy has actually been able to prove that denuvo is at fault. I have looked at many and every single one of them has other stuff changed to push their narrative. Considering it stutters even on consoles, same as dead space, and the engine they are using for how big the game is it is VERY safe to say that it's not Denuvo.