How Doesn't Isaac Know

[Franzosisch]

When you get to the mining deck and find "Nicole" Isaac believes it's her. That fine and all but then a few seconds later you find a recording that proves it's actually Cross. Why add this in. It completely breaks the immersion. The original never had this problem as there wasn't anything telling Isaac that it's not her. It's also inconsistent. Why doesn't Isaac react to this log? He reacts to some other side quest ones but one that goes completely against what he just saw he doesn't mention?

[indigo]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

When you get to the mining deck and find "Nicole" Isaac believes it's her. That fine and all but then a few seconds later you find a recording that proves it's actually Cross. Why add this in. It completely breaks the immersion.

No, it doesn't at all. In fact, it sits back and laughs in your face for having strung you along in Issac's descent into madness. These little Lovecraftian allusions are one of the things that makes the Dead Space story so good.

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

The original never had this problem as there wasn't anything telling Isaac that it's not her. It's also inconsistent. Why doesn't Isaac react to this log? He reacts to some other side quest ones but one that goes completely against what he just saw he doesn't mention?

Actually, there was Nichole telling Issac she wasn't real - "Make us whole."
Honestly, we don't even know that Issac actually survived that first necromorph encounter behind the counter at the landing/crash site of the Kelleon. For all we really know, none of these events actually took place - they could have been entirely in Issac's transforming mind.

Think on that and despair.

[Nate]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

Originally posted by NateDogg:

Depends on the nature of the illness. I recommend consulting a psyche nurse, psychologist, psychiatrist, or any healthcare worker who is educated in mental illness and symptoms of delusion. In video game terms, "Isaac is crazy" will be the go to answer for any inconsistencies in his character. It's not the most sophisticated story.

It's more likely bad direction

This is the most likely explanation. "Isaac is crazy" will be the go to answer for any inconsistencies in his character. It's not the most sophisticated story.

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

The '08 version didn't have as glaring as a problem as this.

The '08 version has its own problems, most of which are gameplay related, and almost all of which were resolved in the remake. They changed the story a little bit but I think it still largely holds up.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

From the very start they advertised the remake as having Wright return to add voice acting.

No, back in 2008, not currently lol.

We're not talking about the '08 version now are we.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by indigo:

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

When you get to the mining deck and find "Nicole" Isaac believes it's her. That fine and all but then a few seconds later you find a recording that proves it's actually Cross. Why add this in. It completely breaks the immersion.

No, it doesn't at all. In fact, it sits back and laughs in your face for having strung you along in Issac's descent into madness. These little Lovecraftian allusions are one of the things that makes the Dead Space story so good.

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

The original never had this problem as there wasn't anything telling Isaac that it's not her. It's also inconsistent. Why doesn't Isaac react to this log? He reacts to some other side quest ones but one that goes completely against what he just saw he doesn't mention?

Actually, there was Nichole telling Issac she wasn't real - "Make us whole."
Honestly, we don't even know that Issac actually survived that first necromorph encounter behind the counter at the landing/crash site of the Kelleon. For all we really know, none of these events actually took place - they could have been entirely in Issac's transforming mind.

Think on that and despair.

If it actually did sit back it would be fine. But you're immediately given a log, that Isaac is proven to actually hear himself through others, that tells him "hey this was actually Cross and not Nicole". The original never had a log right after the hallucination that told him it was a hallucination.

[Seraphiel]

Wait, I clearly missed the recording that told Isaac that it is Cross at that point? Where is it?

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by Seraphiel:

Wait, I clearly missed the recording that told Isaac that it is Cross at that point? Where is it?

Fly around to where she was standing when you get the beacon. It's on a computer there.

[Droolguy]

If her behavior and repeated "Make us whole." didn't immediately send up glowing neon red flags for people long, long, long before the recording... then I feel it is justified to have the recording as the developer needed something to beat some players over the head with for them to understand.

Your supposed to reasonably know even on your first playthrough for the last half of the game, that you are being led along by the marker posing as your wife, you just don't know where it's eventually leading you... just like everyone else's hallucinations... and like everyone else the game makes you do things anyway through forced objectives that your character can't ignore, no meta player knowledge will save you.

Some of you that just sailed right over many players heads because it's "just a game about killing monsters" and they don't actually pay attention to anything at all other than click to make stuff dead.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

No, back in 2008, not currently lol.

We're not talking about the '08 version now are we.

You brought up the 08 version, which is what I was responding directly too lol.

“The '08 version didn't have as glaring as a problem as this.”

Hence my comment about them not having a voiced protagonist, let alone Gunner, in mind, as well as any inconsistencies that might arise in that regard.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by Droolguy:

If her behavior and repeated "Make us whole." didn't immediately send up glowing neon red flags for people long, long, long before the recording... then I feel it is justified to have the recording as the developer needed something to beat some players over the head with for them to understand.

Your supposed to reasonably know even on your first playthrough for the last half of the game, that you are being led along by the marker posing as your wife, you just don't know where it's eventually leading you... just like everyone else's hallucinations... and like everyone else the game makes you do things anyway through forced objectives that your character can't ignore, no meta player knowledge will save you.

Some of you that just sailed right over many players heads because it's "just a game about killing monsters" and they don't actually pay attention to anything at all other than click to make stuff dead.

In all honesty I thought the story forgot about Cross and that Nicole was just a vision, so the twist that it was her all along did kinda get me, but it was still pretty obvious that Nicole was long gone before Isaac and crew arrived.

[NaClReserves]

Pretty sure that log only exists on New Game +, so the whole twist has already long been revealed.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by Droolguy:

If her behavior and repeated "Make us whole." didn't immediately send up glowing neon red flags for people long, long, long before the recording... then I feel it is justified to have the recording as the developer needed something to beat some players over the head with for them to understand.

Your supposed to reasonably know even on your first playthrough for the last half of the game, that you are being led along by the marker posing as your wife, you just don't know where it's eventually leading you... just like everyone else's hallucinations... and like everyone else the game makes you do things anyway through forced objectives that your character can't ignore, no meta player knowledge will save you.

Some of you that just sailed right over many players heads because it's "just a game about killing monsters" and they don't actually pay attention to anything at all other than click to make stuff dead.

This recording isn't "long, long, long before" though. It's right after seeing her in person for the first time. Seconds after. It's not meta knowledge either. In this remake Isaac reacts to certain logs. It is confirmed he actually hears them. But it's meta knowledge when there's a log that completely breaks the story? This isn't the marker having fully gained control with symbols and ♥♥♥♥ everywhere either.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

We're not talking about the '08 version now are we.

You brought up the 08 version, which is what I was responding directly too lol.

“The '08 version didn't have as glaring as a problem as this.”

Hence my comment about them not having a voiced protagonist, let alone Gunner, in mind, as well as any inconsistencies that might arise in that regard.

The log is in the remake and not the original. They said in their advertising they were rewriting some story parts. You are ignoring the fact that this log was not in the original, thus my comment saying it wasn't a problem there.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by NaClReserves:

Pretty sure that log only exists on New Game +, so the whole twist has already long been revealed.

I got it before unlocking NG+ so I dunno.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

You brought up the 08 version, which is what I was responding directly too lol.

“The '08 version didn't have as glaring as a problem as this.”

Hence my comment about them not having a voiced protagonist, let alone Gunner, in mind, as well as any inconsistencies that might arise in that regard.

The log is in the remake and not the original. They said in their advertising they were rewriting some story parts. You are ignoring the fact that this log was not in the original, thus my comment saying it wasn't a problem there.

I’m not ignoring anything, the point I am trying to make is that it’s a moot point to bring up the original since Isaac had no character or personality, he was you, essentially.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

The log is in the remake and not the original. They said in their advertising they were rewriting some story parts. You are ignoring the fact that this log was not in the original, thus my comment saying it wasn't a problem there.

I’m not ignoring anything, the point I am trying to make is that it’s a moot point to bring up the original since Isaac had no character or personality, he was you, essentially.

That just isn't true. In the original, the was no log explicitly telling Isaac that was he just saw wasn't real.