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I'm only on June 23rd in the game but they do get caught around that time and I was thinking "well if they met up in private..."
Also the fact that they just speak openly about the Thieves in public is stupid to me even after they get caught. I equate the storyline to Death Note because once you meet Adechi the storyline starts going that direction.
Light Yagami did everything to hide his killing power machine in the Anime. Do the Phantom Thieves even care? Light was also a teen so he'd be about one year older than the cast in this game; he'd probably be in the same class if there was a crossover. So being a teenager isn't an excuse.
I named my crew "Stupid Asses" in the game and the name literally fits because they all act really dumb.
The only realistic risk they'd have from being overheard is if it were someone aware of the metaverse who would therefore understand what they were talking about, but they're unaware that could even be a possibility until after Kaneshiro's palace.
They don't know it can - there's several points in the game (including the first time it's used) where there's bystanders who aren't pulled in. In fact it's a kind of minor plot point later on that the Phantom Thieves believe the *only* way anyone can get into the metaverse is via the app.
After Madarame? And especially after Kaneshiro? Everyone knew that they steal hearts – they called themselves on their calling cards Phantom Thieves of HEARTS. You won't be able to convince me that in real world someone wouldn't get paranoid, did the same thing Makoto did - record the convo and, instead of blackmailing them like Makoto did, went to the cops with it. Akechi already stated that they are criminals and that what they are doing is no different from brainwashing. It’s not that far-fetched to think that the police worked under the same assumption and were already looking for them.
And even if, I doubt EVERYONE would miss 5 people just disappearing into thin air, especially if they were standing RIGHT NEXT TO/IN FRONT OF them.
As you said, after Kaneshiro they KNEW there was another Metaverse user who was more than likely behind the mental shutdowns. THAT SHOULD be their que to be more careful. And yet they act as if they didn’t know about that other Persona-user with access to Metaverse.
Did you miss the point with me specifically mentioning Ann and Yusuke? They were in the vicinity when the app was used to go into the Palace resulting in them going into the Metaverse and getting the app on THEIR phones. After they used their app in front of Futaba's room she also got the app which she later used to go into her own Palace. The only thing your point is making is that we either don't really know for sure what are the requirements for pulling people into the metaverse, or that the people connected in some way to the Palace's owner have a high chance to get dragged in along with them (with the former being more likely in my opinion, since none of the Volleyball team members was pulled in. But they might have been training whenever the app was used, therefore they were not close enough for the app to affect them).
Which brings me back to the point that they were far too careless when using their app. The first time I can understand. The second time Ann had little choice. But after Futaba? That was pure idiocy, and You won’t convince me otherwise.
The difference between Light and the Phantom Thieves, is that Light Yagami is Unrealistically smart, and The phantom Thieves are REALISTICALLY stupid.
They want us to take a lot at face value, and it's lazy. For example, how they keep calling Makoto smart over virtually nothing and she actually does a whole lot of dumb stuff but let's just ignore that. Like, you can't just say a character is something and then not deliver. That's like when in a group roleplay someone says their character has charisma and everyone likes them; but in execution they're just wholly uninteresting and unlikable. My character is not just going to think they're so charismatic when it's not happening. Yet the writers of this game decided the others chars would just think it, cuz, well, that's simply what they wanted. It's lazy writing.
Also, there defo a case of misandry going on too in this game; the girls, such as Makoto, always get praised for being smart, or if Ann as much as farts Mona praises her to the heavens. LOL
But, if, for example, Ryuji says something helpful or smart which he actually does a lot (and same case of saying but now showing; if he's supposed to be so stupid compared to the others, then where is he actually being that???) Anyway, whenever Ryuji says something smart, it can never just be praised. It always has to be paired with some level of condescension, and that is supposed to be comical relief? It's not funny. It's toxic as hell. Some friends they are, who'd constantly tear down his self-esteem. Just horrible writing.
Also, notice how the other male member of the party, Yusuke, also gets met with being told he's weird, or needs to shut up, etc. And that's just okay, acceptable, cuz male. You never see it happen to the girls within the party. Never. It's a problem within society to this day, and I find it stands out even more in a game that focuses on what is wrong with society. Especially when these dynamics happen within a group of people who allegedly are supposed to care about making society a better place. Really annoyed me.
Also the argument someone made that nobody would believe them anyway, does not hold water because whether it is true or not, is completely irrelevant. They can't know it won't, and even more proof is that whenever Ryuji would accidentally mention something aloud they'd all freak out and yell at him. So they definitely are worried about it, ergo why would they still do it then? Makes no sense. You can not have an issue with it, sure, but it's just factually not making sense. Also, this further adds to my previous point about Ryuji and how hypocrite they are, because they ALL do this, not just Ryuji, but when the others do it, they don't get yelled at.
I really do love this game despite its flaws though. They are not that severe that it impeded my overall enjoyment of this otherwise fantastic game.
Hahah, on point. I named them Sh*itheads myself. It always makes me laugh whenever it comes up in dialogue. It happens so little I'd forget every time I named then that which made it better. Also, the protag I named Salty Licorice (cuz of his black hair) and it made some dialogue about something being salty extra funny. When Yusuke said he was in the mood for something salty and a dialogue choice was "don't look at me" or something it felt way too on point.
Int is the same way. Speaking in DnD5e terms I would say that Makoto has fairly high int. Somewhere around 18. Can't justify 20. It's Futaba's place) And Makoto has fairly low, but not horrible wisdom. 10? Too generic. I'd go with 8. Speaking of stats. Are you sure you actually play TTRPGs? Because Ryuji is an excellent example of low int, high wis. He doesn't have any academic knowledge. But he has something similar to "street smarts". He has good intuition. Which is wisdom.
My conclusion is that you need to reread about the difference between int and wis. And how characters behave with one of them dumped
I can understand her going to Kaneshiro – she WAS being pressured on all ends. On one hand, she was pressured by her sister to study, on the other the Principal told her to investigate the Phantom Thieves AND after the flippin’ MAFIA, the student council members looked to her for answers as to how to deal with their admittedly bad situation (without offering any suggestions of a solution themselves despite being the student council members themselves – Makoto didn’t help matters by saying that she’ll handle things), and the student body accused her of knowing and helping the teachers to hide what Kamoshida was doing. And then Yusuke told her to her face that she’s being a burden right after her sister exploded on her… So yeah, it was just too much at once. It doesn’t justify what she did but DOES explain her biggest mistake and it makes sense to make the story go that way imho. But after that? Yeah, no.
Well, Mona DOES have a crush on Ann… And she’s seemingly the only one who doesn’t see it.
Chie had a similar role in 4 – although both in her and his case I think that they are more intelligent than they seem, they’re just not book-smart. They just don’t have the patience and self-discipline to actually study. Though in the previous instalment they played it as Chie herself awkwardly laughing and asking if she accidentally got it right. They probably didn’t want to repeat the same cliché, but You’re right – they could have come up with something different. They should have either made his character smarter from the beginning or come up with something else.
Sadly, video games are not the only place where that kind of toxic relationships are being normalized – novels, mangas, comics, TV series, etc… You can find examples of such everywhere, sadly. ☹
Yeah, I get that he deserved it in the beginning – I mean, he DID ask Ann to pose in the nude shortly after meeting her (honestly, Ann would be justified to even slap him at that particular moment). I also read that someone had a feeling as if Yusuke was supposed to be autistic and that was the reason for his behaviour. If that REALLY was the writer’s intentions, they overdid it. I mean, okay, I get it - most of his cluelessness and weird outlook is due to how Madarame raised him (no TV ever for example) but come on. Also, this puts the group in even worse light.
Truth to be told, after befriending him there must have been better, gentler way to let him know which actions and why can garner some negative attention, completely unrelated to the Phantom Thieves. Why not explore THAT along with his slump? If they did, I feel that his social link would be much more interesting.
Also, personally I am all for true and full equality between genders. So, if it’s okay/unacceptable to do something to a male, it should be okay/unacceptable to do the same to a female and vice-versa.
THIS! Not as blatantly as Ryuji (the scene at the sushi place for example) but they do speak about their activities in the open. Okay, I get it, it might be hard to overhear them in a noisy place, but it’s just as easy for the enemy to hide and record their conversations. Even easier if they talk in a seemingly empty space where it’s ridiculously easy to hide and hear – not to mention record – their conversations (again, how Makoto got proof that the original trio were the Phantom Thieves – Yusuke wasn’t present and at that time Makoto couldn’t understand Morgana). Which, again, is ESPECIALLY annoying after the Kaneshiro’s Palace where they knew that there’s another Persona-user who uses their powers to commit crimes. KANESHIRO’S SHADOW TOLD THEM TO THEIR FACES!!! But nope, let’s just ignore and continue with zero precautions/care just as we’ve been doing all this time.
Persona is one of my favourite series, even WITH the flaws.
Lol, I must call them Lil Sh*its in my NG+. Thanks for the idea XD
Also, thanks for commenting, You and other posters pointed out some other things I didn’t think about initially and made me look at some other frankly disturbing patterns here.
Yep. This is the answer.
As you've said OP, they're teenagers.
No offense intended to teenagers out there, but MOST of y'all are idiots. I was one of you and I was an idiot. It isn't your fault. Not to be all "old man yells at clouds" here, but physically, your brain is still developing like the rest of your body. LITERALLY.
The prefrontal cortex responsible for impulse control starts developing around the age of 10, but it doesn't complete the process fully until somewhere around 23-26.
Now add onto that, they've all just been granted super powers in the middle of high school. I dunno about the rest of y'all, but I can sympathize a bit with Ryuji's mindset. I definitely had something to prove and had a lot of "impress girls" mojo at that age.
Basically...I think it is written pretty realistically that at least one, and likely more than one, teenager in the group would have a big mouth and have a hard time keeping such a secret...particularly when subconsciously they actually WANT to get caught for the attention, fame, etc.
I felt so vindicated during Maruki's Rank 10 social link LOL omg
needless to say, yes these scenes bothered me a lot.
Okay, but when I was at that age I knew that if I wanted something to STAY secret, I DO NOT discuss it in public places. And they did. The whole game. And only ever scolded Ryuji when he screamed about the matter in public. And, as ZeroPantz™ stated, some of them were SUPPOSED to be smart/highly inteligent (Makoto, Futaba - slightly justified by the fact that she was a shut-in until around the middle of the game). I get that their brains are not fully developed, but high schoolers SHOULD have SOME impulse control and common sense, tbh.