Okumura boss fight just made me uninstall the game

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Been on that fight for hours, only to get to the final wave and get 1 shot with no prior warning. Dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ive ever seen

[Yílõng Má]

Originalmente postado por Apollyon:

huh, how come i've no problem beating big bang burger CEO in hard difficulty. i'm not using any dlc stuff but only use the right squad and personaas ( some recovery item too of course ) . You can't always expect to win without any preparation and just use random persona's and team.

Originalmente postado por Overeagerdragon:

#1 Love your name; FFXIV fan I take it?
#2 Totally agree on the last part... having mid timer dialogue just screams for players to speed right through it... you're on the clock after all and considdering you already had 5 waves of enemies at that time you, at that point, are totally unaware of how much there's still to follow seeing as that (%^head hasn't come down off his throne yet so every second saved is welcome...
#3 This fight is deffo something else... not only do you need to keep every wave's weaknesses in mind because of that stupid time limit but they have a 2 turn conjoined kill requirement AND 1 of them gets boosted...not even the final boss is this tough imho (either 3 of them)
#4 It IS a perfect example of a shin megami boss though... I distinctly remember Digital Devil Saga and some of the other Persona games having hardlimit bosses like this where you better know wtf you're doing or you're dead

and i agree with you about the time limit, it's kinda annoying when the time limit didn't stop when there's dialogue

The time limit is very forgiving though, dev gives you 30 mins when you can finish the fight in 7-10 mins.

[Apollyon]

Originalmente postado por Yílõng Má:

Originalmente postado por Apollyon:

huh, how come i've no problem beating big bang burger CEO in hard difficulty. i'm not using any dlc stuff but only use the right squad and personaas ( some recovery item too of course ) . You can't always expect to win without any preparation and just use random persona's and team.



and i agree with you about the time limit, it's kinda annoying when the time limit didn't stop when there's dialogue

The time limit is very forgiving though, dev gives you 30 mins when you can finish the fight in 7-10 mins.

hmm true...


in my playthrough, i still have a lot of time when i beat the boss

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Here's the tips killing green big robot in 1 turn.

Before destroying the last tall skinny robot, use matarukaja on your team.

When big green robots are called, first character use marakunda > Joker concentrate > third character uses Bless or Godly Magatama on non Tarunda'ed robot then start baton-passing.

Pass to character who doesn't have Psi, let them use another Magatama to another robot. Then pass to haru and use Psio to robot which got Tarunda. Pass to Joker and use Mapsio that has been concentrated, then you got one more and use another Mapsio.

Then if there's any left, Haru will get his non baton pass turn, use another Mapsio.

See my video:

https://youtu.be/U40OnRlfzXA

Green big robots were destroyed in 1 turn, even with only Mapsi on Joker (and no concentrate).

See how many action you can do in 1 turn if you do it very effectively. For example we use Joker, Makoto, Ann, and Haru.

1. Makoto > Marakunda
2. Joker > Concentrate
3. Ann > Magatama
4. Baton Pass Makoto > Magatama
5. Baton Pass Haru > Psio
6. Baton Pass Joker > Concentrated Mapsio
7. One More Joker > Mapsio
8. Haru > Mapsio

8 actions in 1 turn lol!

Noob usually only use Mapsio, then Baton pass to another Mapsio, not enough damage bruh! They even don't use Marakunda and Matarukaja.

[Pendji 💙]

I went into Persona 5 knowing how difficult SMT games are, saving every single day and backtracking dungeons to save before every door. After 3 palaces I realized the game isn't really that hard and I had no reason to be this scared.

Then came this boss. You're meant to hit 3-4 weaknesses with only 2 characters who can hit weaknesses at a time, so you need bombs. First time in the entire game you NEED items, and I can't even craft them, cause why would I want to? I've had it easy up until now.

I've only read of peple beating him with overpowered DLC personas or basically uninstalling the game. I would have -zero- issues with this boss being this hard if any of the prior content taught you to expect these kinds of things. The game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy up until this guy who has 2-3 mechanics you've no idea about unless you ask someone who already beat it.

I genuinely do not believe you could put your average gamer in a room with Persona 5 on easy and have them complete it because of this guy. Period. And that's not even because he's EASIER on harder difficulty.

I repeat, this sounds like a good SMT fight, but it's not remotely in line with P5 as a game. You're not taught any of this and I breezed through the game on normal using only aoe abilities most of the time. I've never reached a baton 3, period. "Duh that's why you lose", sure, but the game didn't push the difficulty. And now that it has, I don't have any saves before calling card. I don't want to replay 30 hours just to add bombs to my inventory.

I'm sorry but all you Persona stans who can't see this is a glaring issues have *no* say in this. You pushed this game to the top of metacritic, meaning it's a flawless masterpiece, only to go "it's easy if you read this 3 page guide".

[Overeagerdragon]

Originalmente postado por Pendji! 🩰:

I went into Persona 5 knowing how difficult SMT games are, saving every single day and backtracking dungeons to save before every door. After 3 palaces I realized the game isn't really that hard and I had no reason to be this scared.

Then came this boss. You're meant to hit 3-4 weaknesses with only 2 characters who can hit weaknesses at a time, so you need bombs. First time in the entire game you NEED items, and I can't even craft them, cause why would I want to? I've had it easy up until now.

I've only read of peple beating him with overpowered DLC personas or basically uninstalling the game. I would have -zero- issues with this boss being this hard if any of the prior content taught you to expect these kinds of things. The game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy up until this guy who has 2-3 mechanics you've no idea about unless you ask someone who already beat it.

I genuinely do not believe you could put your average gamer in a room with Persona 5 on easy and have them complete it because of this guy. Period. And that's not even because he's EASIER on harder difficulty.

I repeat, this sounds like a good SMT fight, but it's not remotely in line with P5 as a game. You're not taught any of this and I breezed through the game on normal using only aoe abilities most of the time. I've never reached a baton 3, period. "Duh that's why you lose", sure, but the game didn't push the difficulty. And now that it has, I don't have any saves before calling card. I don't want to replay 30 hours just to add bombs to my inventory.

I'm sorry but all you Persona stans who can't see this is a glaring issues have *no* say in this. You pushed this game to the top of metacritic, meaning it's a flawless masterpiece, only to go "it's easy if you read this 3 page guide".

Ehrm... you can craft bombs actually... the infiltration tools has a second tab/page where you can do just that; though you'll need to scrounge around a bit for good ones...but even without good ones you can use the simple ones for the baton pass (like previous ppl have pointed out)

Though it even took me a while to complete the first time around (was playing on normal at the time because I wanted the story experience) I think this boss is placed in the wrong order.... he should come way closer to the endgame than it does as a story boss as no other boss needs you to be aware of the systems like this one...

Having said that... I DO think that if you keep to the original idea of not fusing DLC persona's and keep them at your own level (arcana boosting over excluded in that as you could do that in the other persona games too) this fight IS the best in the game and you having FORGOTTEN how to work the system in full (because the game DOES tell you everything you need to know in order to beat this fight) because the game was EZ-street up until now, is not the game's fault

[Silverbolt]

You can have concentrate + megido from Thoth, and almighty boost + amp + magic ability from network fusion. Surely you get what I mean.

[Yílõng Má]

Originalmente postado por Pendji! 🩰:

I went into Persona 5 knowing how difficult SMT games are, saving every single day and backtracking dungeons to save before every door. After 3 palaces I realized the game isn't really that hard and I had no reason to be this scared.

Then came this boss. You're meant to hit 3-4 weaknesses with only 2 characters who can hit weaknesses at a time, so you need bombs. First time in the entire game you NEED items, and I can't even craft them, cause why would I want to? I've had it easy up until now.

I've only read of peple beating him with overpowered DLC personas or basically uninstalling the game. I would have -zero- issues with this boss being this hard if any of the prior content taught you to expect these kinds of things. The game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy up until this guy who has 2-3 mechanics you've no idea about unless you ask someone who already beat it.

I genuinely do not believe you could put your average gamer in a room with Persona 5 on easy and have them complete it because of this guy. Period. And that's not even because he's EASIER on harder difficulty.

I repeat, this sounds like a good SMT fight, but it's not remotely in line with P5 as a game. You're not taught any of this and I breezed through the game on normal using only aoe abilities most of the time. I've never reached a baton 3, period. "Duh that's why you lose", sure, but the game didn't push the difficulty. And now that it has, I don't have any saves before calling card. I don't want to replay 30 hours just to add bombs to my inventory.

I'm sorry but all you Persona stans who can't see this is a glaring issues have *no* say in this. You pushed this game to the top of metacritic, meaning it's a flawless masterpiece, only to go "it's easy if you read this 3 page guide".

Dude, I never craft bombs and still have few of them in my inventory. The game gives you more than enough bombs and ofudas for this boss fight (where you technically only need 2 Bless or Godly Magatama).

Just admit that you're not that good enough at playing JRPGs.

Imagine complaining about Okumura when other people can beat Lavenza solo on Hard using non-DLC Persona. That was brutal. This boss? Not so much.

The game already taught you about one more, baton passing, etc at that point. If you never reach 3 people baton pass, then do it on this battle, when 2 people baton pass clearly isn't enough. Use your imagination, think about why you can't clear green robot, maybe because your baton pass didn't do enough damage? Or maybe because you didn't hit single target first so you didn't have enough enemies for baton passing? Or maybe because you forget to Mataru and Maruku?

I literally watched 4 people fighting this boss on the last few days, and all of them struggled really hard because they didn't even buff and debuff properly, not to mention doing baton pass effectively.

This is my first time playing Persona 5, doing it on Hard, and did Okumura in 1 try with 16 minutes left.

On my last few JRPGs, there were harder battles than this fight and I still consider those battles easier than Playstation era (try Beyond The Beyond lol, you might drop the game after 1 hour, game was crazily brutal in difficulty).

[Yílõng Má]

Originalmente postado por Silverbolt:

You can have concentrate + megido from Thoth, and almighty boost + amp + magic ability from network fusion. Surely you get what I mean.

I don't think that's enough without baton passing properly if you don't use overleveled Persona or DLC Persona.

[Yílõng Má]

Originalmente postado por Overeagerdragon:

Originalmente postado por Pendji! 🩰:

I went into Persona 5 knowing how difficult SMT games are, saving every single day and backtracking dungeons to save before every door. After 3 palaces I realized the game isn't really that hard and I had no reason to be this scared.

Then came this boss. You're meant to hit 3-4 weaknesses with only 2 characters who can hit weaknesses at a time, so you need bombs. First time in the entire game you NEED items, and I can't even craft them, cause why would I want to? I've had it easy up until now.

I've only read of peple beating him with overpowered DLC personas or basically uninstalling the game. I would have -zero- issues with this boss being this hard if any of the prior content taught you to expect these kinds of things. The game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy up until this guy who has 2-3 mechanics you've no idea about unless you ask someone who already beat it.

I genuinely do not believe you could put your average gamer in a room with Persona 5 on easy and have them complete it because of this guy. Period. And that's not even because he's EASIER on harder difficulty.

I repeat, this sounds like a good SMT fight, but it's not remotely in line with P5 as a game. You're not taught any of this and I breezed through the game on normal using only aoe abilities most of the time. I've never reached a baton 3, period. "Duh that's why you lose", sure, but the game didn't push the difficulty. And now that it has, I don't have any saves before calling card. I don't want to replay 30 hours just to add bombs to my inventory.

I'm sorry but all you Persona stans who can't see this is a glaring issues have *no* say in this. You pushed this game to the top of metacritic, meaning it's a flawless masterpiece, only to go "it's easy if you read this 3 page guide".

Ehrm... you can craft bombs actually... the infiltration tools has a second tab/page where you can do just that; though you'll need to scrounge around a bit for good ones...but even without good ones you can use the simple ones for the baton pass (like previous ppl have pointed out)

Though it even took me a while to complete the first time around (was playing on normal at the time because I wanted the story experience) I think this boss is placed in the wrong order.... he should come way closer to the endgame than it does as a story boss as no other boss needs you to be aware of the systems like this one...

Having said that... I DO think that if you keep to the original idea of not fusing DLC persona's and keep them at your own level (arcana boosting over excluded in that as you could do that in the other persona games too) this fight IS the best in the game and you having FORGOTTEN how to work the system in full (because the game DOES tell you everything you need to know in order to beat this fight) because the game was EZ-street up until now, is not the game's fault

Completely agree with your last paragraph, but have different take with your second.

I think the dev should make later bosses even harder than this boss because this is such a good fight. We need challenge, JRPG players have become so soft since there's not enough challenge in the last 10-15 years.

Damnit, I even had to play Elden Ring even though I really hate open-world game because there were no games that could give me those NES-PS1 era of difficulty.

I missed the day when I literally cried my eyes off because I spent like 5 hours trying to beat one stage of Rockman game lol.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originalmente postado por Yílõng Má:

Originalmente postado por Overeagerdragon:

Ehrm... you can craft bombs actually... the infiltration tools has a second tab/page where you can do just that; though you'll need to scrounge around a bit for good ones...but even without good ones you can use the simple ones for the baton pass (like previous ppl have pointed out)

Though it even took me a while to complete the first time around (was playing on normal at the time because I wanted the story experience) I think this boss is placed in the wrong order.... he should come way closer to the endgame than it does as a story boss as no other boss needs you to be aware of the systems like this one...

Having said that... I DO think that if you keep to the original idea of not fusing DLC persona's and keep them at your own level (arcana boosting over excluded in that as you could do that in the other persona games too) this fight IS the best in the game and you having FORGOTTEN how to work the system in full (because the game DOES tell you everything you need to know in order to beat this fight) because the game was EZ-street up until now, is not the game's fault

Completely agree with your last paragraph, but have different take with your second.

I think the dev should make later bosses even harder than this boss because this is such a good fight. We need challenge, JRPG players have become so soft since there's not enough challenge in the last 10-15 years.

Damnit, I even had to play Elden Ring even though I really hate open-world game because there were no games that could give me those NES-PS1 era of difficulty.

I missed the day when I literally cried my eyes off because I spent like 5 hours trying to beat one stage of Rockman game lol.

I can see where you're coming from and though I do think the rampup for this boss is rough with how easy the game was up until that point... having said that; yeah, later bosses should've been tougher...I had Yaolboath down to 10% remaining hp before I noticed you could target his weapons... I just thought they were part of the mechanic and dealt with the status debuffs they doled out.... Untill I Almighty amp+Concentrate+Medigolaoned and saw I could've killed those weapons too.... but the boss couldn't handle the 3K damage I did with how much health he had remaining,

Seems, like me, you play these games for the nostalgic reasons of the NES/SNES era when RPG's didn't hand you everything on a silver platter... did you play Digital Devil Saga or Persona3:FES back in those days too? Because other than those and maybe Wild ARMS/Shadowhearts (no, not Kingdom hearts; Shadowhearts) I never truly found a JRPG with this level of complexity where you could easily get outmatched by the game because you didn't understand the mechanics...not that they were hard... just complex.

[qazimod]

It's not hard: it's just dumb, and unclear - you need to fail with the execution order stuff before the game tells you that the battle won't move forward unless your party are claiming the KOs.

You do need a bit of Velvet Room prep so that you have a bunch of good elemental attacks though. Also I think someone mentioned in another thread that you should use your stronger elemental attack even if it's a single-target skill. E.g. if you have something that only has Maragi and Agilao, the damage from four Agilaos is going to be more worthwhile than the damage from the Maragi. That kind of thing helped me a lot, although it's more dependent on Sukukaja accuracy.

[Izlude]

Is this a joke? The bossfight is just them throwing weak enemies you can take out fast. Like if you were having issues beating the Twins that at least would make some sense.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originalmente postado por Philogosten:

Is this a joke? The bossfight is just them throwing weak enemies you can take out fast. Like if you were having issues beating the Twins that at least would make some sense.

Is THAT a joke? You can't even beat the twins on your first run... it's a newgame+ secret boss

[Izlude]

Originalmente postado por Overeagerdragon:

Originalmente postado por Philogosten:

Is this a joke? The bossfight is just them throwing weak enemies you can take out fast. Like if you were having issues beating the Twins that at least would make some sense.

Is THAT a joke? You can't even beat the twins on your first run... it's a newgame+ secret boss

When did I say you can fight the twins on your first run? Please dont invent arguments no one said because you are upset.

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I beat it

1. Put the game on the highest difficulty
2. Use DLC Personas
3. 1-2 shot everything
4. Try to shock the final big guy with eletric attacks
5. Physical and Gun him down
6. Everything else is smooth sailing, make sure you guard when fake haru uses her self destruct