Kasumi is the worst character in the game!

[Kite]

It just blows my mind how some people can even remotely think that Kasumi is a good character in any way. She feels completely out of place in the setting and it's obvious that she was implemented later on, since she is basically completely disconnected to the main story.

Her backstory is shallow and boring and all she does is simping for the protagonist in a super annoying way. Her interactions with the main cast make no sense. And on top of that her perfectionism and "talent" for gymnastics just feels extremely superficial.

We need to stop putting these shallow female sidekicks into RPGs and instead focus on characters that actually have depth and character development to them. Kasumi is just not it, that's a fact not an opinion!

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Kite:

Originally posted by Artorias:

Hey bro you don’t have to speak ill of her here. We all know that this character is actually a character that was forcibly added in the royal version. It’s normal for you to feel that the plot is inconsistent. This is the fault of the script.

I think devs should stop doing stuff like this in general. If you add new characters in a DLC or Expansion, then you have to add them on top of the existing stuff and not forcibly try to put it within that.

No one thinks the Councilor is forced.

I have accounts of people who only played royal and cannot tell what's royal content.

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Eh, Kasumi was fine. But she felt poorly-implemented. Her story was alright, and one of the sadder/tragic ones. But she's introduced so late into the game(Like Haru) that she will be under-utilized. She's basically the games' version of ME3's "Vega". The new face who has to learn everything from the MC and their comrades/friends. Mind you, Vega is with you at the start of ME3, but I digress.

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Kite:

I think devs should stop doing stuff like this in general. If you add new characters in a DLC or Expansion, then you have to add them on top of the existing stuff and not forcibly try to put it within that.

No one thinks the Councilor is forced.

I have accounts of people who only played royal and cannot tell what's royal content.

Yeah, Maruki def doesn't feel forced. In fact, the game foreshadows him and his involvment in the plot if you pay close enough attention in a scene after you complete a certain starting palace.

[Gabby]

Eh,

Personally I felt like they took the idea for a female protagonist option (I will forever hold a candle for P3P for giving us that and all those alternate dating options) and made it into a side character. (I know this is not the case, but her costume design and the fact that she is Holy compared to the MC's Darkness default alignment speaks a lot.) The development of this game was pretty weird, like how Hifumi was supposed to be a party member and how Akechi was supposed to have his own palace.

I overall enjoyed her being a more or less low key character, she's set apart from the others already by being Futaba's age and Futaba not being a classmate. I think that was intentional because then they could avoid having to have any of the other party members know her well. She is overall a clever means to hook the main character into the final Palace, but yes, it is obvious that she was put in later, because she was.

[[Spirit]]

She doesn't feel out of place. At least, never did for me.
As an avid ps2 P4 lover, she feels 10x more in place than Marie was for Golden

[allknowingeel]

Originally posted by Gabby:

Eh,

Personally I felt like they took the idea for a female protagonist option (I will forever hold a candle for P3P for giving us that and all those alternate dating options) and made it into a side character. (I know this is not the case, but her costume design and the fact that she is Holy compared to the MC's Darkness default alignment speaks a lot.) The development of this game was pretty weird, like how Hifumi was supposed to be a party member and how Akechi was supposed to have his own palace.

I overall enjoyed her being a more or less low key character, she's set apart from the others already by being Futaba's age and Futaba not being a classmate. I think that was intentional because then they could avoid having to have any of the other party members know her well. She is overall a clever means to hook the main character into the final Palace, but yes, it is obvious that she was put in later, because she was.

I actually wish we could see what Hifumi would be like if she was a phantom thief. Too bad we'll never see it.

[MizarAce]

Originally posted by allknowingeel:

Originally posted by Gabby:

Eh,

Personally I felt like they took the idea for a female protagonist option (I will forever hold a candle for P3P for giving us that and all those alternate dating options) and made it into a side character. (I know this is not the case, but her costume design and the fact that she is Holy compared to the MC's Darkness default alignment speaks a lot.) The development of this game was pretty weird, like how Hifumi was supposed to be a party member and how Akechi was supposed to have his own palace.

I overall enjoyed her being a more or less low key character, she's set apart from the others already by being Futaba's age and Futaba not being a classmate. I think that was intentional because then they could avoid having to have any of the other party members know her well. She is overall a clever means to hook the main character into the final Palace, but yes, it is obvious that she was put in later, because she was.

I actually wish we could see what Hifumi would be like if she was a phantom thief. Too bad we'll never see it.

She was never one, actually Hifumi is made of unused Makoto stuff.

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by MizarAce:

Originally posted by allknowingeel:

I actually wish we could see what Hifumi would be like if she was a phantom thief. Too bad we'll never see it.

She was never one, actually Hifumi is made of unused Makoto stuff.

Hifumi is one of my favorite characters. Trad japanese shogi-goddess activates my neurons.

[Gabby]

Originally posted by MizarAce:

Originally posted by allknowingeel:

I actually wish we could see what Hifumi would be like if she was a phantom thief. Too bad we'll never see it.

She was never one, actually Hifumi is made of unused Makoto stuff.

Guess Katsura Hashino is a liar then?

https://personacentral.com/persona-5-hifumi-togo-main-character-other-concepts/

[MizarAce]

Originally posted by Gabby:

Originally posted by MizarAce:

She was never one, actually Hifumi is made of unused Makoto stuff.

Guess Katsura Hashino is a liar then?

https://personacentral.com/persona-5-hifumi-togo-main-character-other-concepts/

Maybe lost in translation?

https://lensdump.com/i/WJOc9o

There was going to be another strategist along Makoto and there was an early sketch but that one was never Hifumi, once they decided to combine both characters into the final Makoto they used the sketch and other parts while creating confidants, they added shogi and stuff and thus best girl was born.

So yeah, never meant to be a party member.

[Gabby]

You keep saying that she was never Hifumi, but then confirm what the picture does that it was in fact an intended main character they eventually made into a confidant.

I think you're taking an extreme take that the character wasn't Hifumi until it was finished, which makes it impossible for her to have been planned as anything else... yet they obviously would not have mentioned this step if it wasn't part of her creation and the original intent. <_<;

[MizarAce]

Originally posted by Gabby:

You keep saying that she was never Hifumi, but then confirm what the picture does that it was in fact an intended main character they eventually made into a confidant.

I think you're taking an extreme take that the character wasn't Hifumi until it was finished, which makes it impossible for her to have been planned as anything else... yet they obviously would not have mentioned this step if it wasn't part of her creation and the original intent. <_<;

But the original intent was never Hifumi, there was no shogi, no traditional japanese style, none of her, they just adapted the early sketch of an unused character into her.

Thats what "decided to use it for a completely different character" means, everything Hifumi was added after that while designing a confidant, not adapting a party member into one.

[Hunter Nightblood]

Oh good, another obvious bait thread gets multiple pages of comments of people arguing with each other.

[Rean Schwarzer]

Oh i largely agree, though my main problems come with the fact she is replacable and the DLC fiasco.
1. You can delete her from the story and not much changes, her Affiliation with Maruki could be replaced with him changing another student, she isn't special with this. There isn't a lot that warrants her existing. Which is a huge shame. At least if you dislike her you barely see her, but i do enjoy her a bit, and this is just awful.
She's barely in the game, i would love to see more from her but i can't really have an opinion on her aside from my points, she's fine as herself but just barely any material...
2. You only play her in the third semester...huh. And to top it off on the OG P5R versions she has 40$ dlc of skins...for 1 dungeon.

[KillerGoldFish911]

Without getting into the whole "Kasumi is forced" narrative (which I totally agree with the people here who are saying that, you get almost no options other than to be a total simp with her (and the cat drags you into it too)), for a game that people pride themselves on being able to make choices, almost all of her interactions leave you with minimal choice. The headcannon bs people bring up is whatever but at least all the other characters have options you can take and live in ur own little headcannon world.
Even with that said, my biggest issue is still with how the way the advertising and even the game to a good extent hint that she'll be a party member you can use for a good chunk of the game, and a character you can go on the various "date" events with. She's probably the highest DPS party member with all the crit bonuses so it's really satisfying to use her in the fights but you don't get the 3rd tier persona until the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ last battle, and i'm pretty sure that timeframe is also when you can finally date her lmao The end point here is that her parts of both the dungeon gameplay and the story were not integrated well at all. The fact that Maruki fits into the overall story much better not only from the extra ending standpoint but just how he's sprinkled into the story throughout shows to me that ATLUS is capable of doing this remake edition characters to a "believable" extent. But who am I to judge. In my opinion ATLUS has never really perfected the heroines they add into the remakes starting with P3 FES, and that was by far their best attempt at it.