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[Admod, the Equivocal]

Psychopaths hide their true nature by wearing ‘masks’ or false personas.


Just wondering if the game is pretty much using that as a guide to the main characters of persona? Being able to use multiple persona when normally a person can only use one.

Anyone else feel that the main characters of persona or the people that can use multiple personas are psychopaths? Just to be clear, there are good psychopaths out there. It stands to reason that the main characters we play are the 'good' ones.

[MizarAce]

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When a game gets retconned of course they're going to keep some characters. If Atlas ever decides to remake P1 and P2 you think they're going to have all the users use multiple persona or make it like they made the real persona games? Just remember this thread when they do. I'mma be giving each of you a clown award.

I doubt Atlus would remake persona 1 or the persona 2 dualogy, they're not known for remaking games. If they did though, I doubt they would make them like the modern persona games. I think they would stick to their old formula as that's what the games are made around. There is not much time to include social elements in the game unless they heavily re-write the story. Also, what do you mean by "the real persona games"
And why are you threatening clown awards?

They already re-release them on the PSP with some online functionality and side stories. nothing mayor.

They did change the visuals to go along with modern Persona games by having a predominant color.

[allknowingeel]

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I doubt Atlus would remake persona 1 or the persona 2 dualogy, they're not known for remaking games. If they did though, I doubt they would make them like the modern persona games. I think they would stick to their old formula as that's what the games are made around. There is not much time to include social elements in the game unless they heavily re-write the story. Also, what do you mean by "the real persona games"
And why are you threatening clown awards?

They already re-release them on the PSP with some online functionality and side stories. nothing mayor.

They did change the visuals to go along with modern Persona games by having a predominant color.

Oh yeah I forgot those are re-makes. Aside from them, I am fairly sure Atlus has not re-made any games, remastered and re-released them but not remade them. I think that the first 3 persona games are the only games that Atlus remade from the ground up with a new engine and stuff.

[Dank Sidious]

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Well I don't see you make similar claims as OP, though I do find it strange that you outright declared that a psychopath would just not have intervened at the beginning the way Joker did. You can't really know that for sure for every psychopath in existence, they aren't machines that are programmed to respond exactly the same way to same situations. Different people can have different reasons behind similar actions.

Alright I may have been a bit misleading with my wording I apologise. It would be more accurate to say that a good amount of them would not intervene. It is possible that they could intervene and try and save the woman, not because they are concerned for her safety, because they think they can get something out of it. But I don't think he did it for that. Because, as I said earlier, his choices when he see's the situation are: "I can't ignore this" or "I have to save her!", neither of these things are things that psychopath would think. The second one in particular is worded in a way that makes it clear that Joker is concerned for her safety. Also, lets say he helped her and the man didn't fall and he went away, ok, then what? If he is a psychopath, how would he benefit from this? Would the woman say "Oh thankyou so much for saving me. Let's keep in contact and meet up again, high school student who saved me. Also I really like you now and want to continue our new found relationship." Would she say that? No, she would most likely say that she is grateful for being saved and that would be that and they would part ways. So I don't think he would've been able to gain much from it. I can expand more on this if you would like? We can bring in things like the DSM 5 and see what it says about psychopathy. I could bring out what was presented in my lectures, probably have them somewhere on my pc.

Haha no need to go that deep into I did believed you from the start, I just found the generalized statement strange, but I get why you said it now. You were just trying to point out how that scenario would have likely played out if Joker was a psychopath to make the case that he isn't one. It makes sense, this thread is just bizarre though.

[allknowingeel]

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Alright I may have been a bit misleading with my wording I apologise. It would be more accurate to say that a good amount of them would not intervene. It is possible that they could intervene and try and save the woman, not because they are concerned for her safety, because they think they can get something out of it. But I don't think he did it for that. Because, as I said earlier, his choices when he see's the situation are: "I can't ignore this" or "I have to save her!", neither of these things are things that psychopath would think. The second one in particular is worded in a way that makes it clear that Joker is concerned for her safety. Also, lets say he helped her and the man didn't fall and he went away, ok, then what? If he is a psychopath, how would he benefit from this? Would the woman say "Oh thankyou so much for saving me. Let's keep in contact and meet up again, high school student who saved me. Also I really like you now and want to continue our new found relationship." Would she say that? No, she would most likely say that she is grateful for being saved and that would be that and they would part ways. So I don't think he would've been able to gain much from it. I can expand more on this if you would like? We can bring in things like the DSM 5 and see what it says about psychopathy. I could bring out what was presented in my lectures, probably have them somewhere on my pc.

Haha no need to go that deep into I did believed you from the start, I just found the generalized statement strange, but I get why you said it now. You were just trying to point out how that scenario would have likely played out if Joker was a psychopath to make the case that he isn't one. It makes sense, this thread is just bizarre though.

Yeah that's all I was trying to say, and you're right, this is a bizarre thread.

[Xuhybrid]

I don't think you can really say since the protagonist is just an empty shell for the player.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

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what do you mean by "the real persona games"

We all know that the only real persona games are 3 4 and 5.

[allknowingeel]

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what do you mean by "the real persona games"

We all know that the only real persona games are 3 4 and 5.

Persona 1 and the Persona 2 dualogy are still persona games. They don't have social sim elements but they are still Persona games. Calling them "not real Persona games" is a disservice to the Persona series as a whole. Persona 3, 4 and 5 would not exist without these games. The Persona 2 dualogy is often said by many to have the best story and some of the best characters out of any Persona titles.

[Peelsepuuppi]

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what do you mean by "the real persona games"

We all know that the only real persona games are 3 4 and 5.

I agree!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aU6u-vE79k

[Steel]

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We all know that the only real persona games are 3 4 and 5.

I agree!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aU6u-vE79k

The full video is amazing
https://youtu.be/9nGWEb5QxGA

[Izlude]

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Psychopaths hide their true nature by wearing ‘masks’ or false personas.


Just wondering if the game is pretty much using that as a guide to the main characters of persona? Being able to use multiple persona when normally a person can only use one.

Anyone else feel that the main characters of persona or the people that can use multiple personas are psychopaths? Just to be clear, there are good psychopaths out there. It stands to reason that the main characters we play are the 'good' ones.

This is why reddit was a mistake.

[Peelsepuuppi]

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I agree!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aU6u-vE79k

The full video is amazing
https://youtu.be/9nGWEb5QxGA

Yes it's legendary. The first Rog Video has great meme potential on it's own though.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Okay. It seems like you guys need someone to reveal the truth about the blue butterfly. It's not Philemon in Persona 3 4 or 5. Igor does not serve Philemon in Persona 3 4 or 5 either. Nothing is connecting the games at all. In fact, Atlus was so sick of people saying the blue butterfly was Philemon that they made sure in Persona 5 to make sure people know it is Lavenza turning into a blue butterfly. Obviously that means more than just Philemon can become blue butterflies yes? It's simply an ability that residents of the Velvet room can do. The blue butterflies constantly appearing in the games is just easter egg. Reused material to make past fans go OH while not actually meaning anything lore wise.

Sorry, I know how much you fans want to connect P1 and P2 to the real Persona games but it's just not the case. You're all suffering from the collective consciousness. Become an individual. Think for yourselves. Don't let the masses rule your brains.

[Dank Sidious]

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Okay. It seems like you guys need someone to reveal the truth about the blue butterfly. It's not Philemon in Persona 3 4 or 5. Igor does not serve Philemon in Persona 3 4 or 5 either. Nothing is connecting the games at all. In fact, Atlus was so sick of people saying the blue butterfly was Philemon that they made sure in Persona 5 to make sure people know it is Lavenza turning into a blue butterfly. Obviously that means more than just Philemon can become blue butterflies yes? It's simply an ability that residents of the Velvet room can do. The blue butterflies constantly appearing in the games is just easter egg. Reused material to make past fans go OH while not actually meaning anything lore wise.

Sorry, I know how much you fans want to connect P1 and P2 to the real Persona games but it's just not the case. You're all suffering from the collective consciousness. Become an individual. Think for yourselves. Don't let the masses rule your brains. :poeIIshifty:

It's pretty obvious by now that it's you who's suffering from "issues" here.