Giving out free personas is a completely idiotic decision

[Georgy ✪]

Massive f-ing L, Atlus/SEGA.

The heck they were thinking?

They completely ruined my experience.

I’m playing on Normal, and I don’t know how difficult Persona games in general (I’ve played Persona 4 Golden on my PSVITA, and I don’t remember difficulty there either), so I’m playing on Normal — I just discovered these really OP FREE personas when I unlocked Velvet Room.

Not gonna lie, my experience is ruined. The is the f-ing point in playing now (for the most part) if I can breeze easily through all the content. If I wanted an easy mode, I would just choose Easy diffiulty.

Please do not suggest my to install mods to disable DLCs or just don’t use these personas — I’m a type of person who prefers what games give them, so I really hate this kind of hand holding BS. I want the game to be difficult and fun, not give me free ride, no point in difficulty settings then if I can choose high level free personas.

Also, this “just don’t use them” replies are idiotic, because the same people will say “if you find [%enemy_name%] too hard, instead of learning or strategizing just use Izanagi-no-Okami and beat it anyway”. This is BS. The heck Atlus/Sega were thinking.

And even if I don’t want to use them, I already registered a few personas. I don’t want to outright remove them and shoot a bullet in my leg when I encounter a really difficult fight (since I already have these free OP personas!).

I have only one save file. If anyone suggests to edit my saves or whatever — I play on Steam Deck, and it’s a hassle to go into desktop mode and do this save file crap.

What the heck Atlus/SEGA were thinking?

Ugh, I hate this dumb crap!

I want to play intended experience (!!!), not this hand holding BS.

Atlus/Sega should’ve made it like Elden Ring or Dark Souls, or better Celeste or Dead Cells — those who need assistance can use various helpful features, but they are not intended experience.

P.S: I understand that these were previously paid DLCs — which is fine, since those who want these OP personas could’ve paid the real money. However, since they bundled all DLCs in Royal (which is great), they could’ve implemented a good UX, that won’t ruin players’ experiences.

[EDIT]

Guys, this is such a total BS — I just tried one of these free personas and I basically can one shot all enemies at once, then my HP/SP refill after the battle, so every time I fight I can One Punch Man everyone. My experience is ruined, now I need to do all the hassle to force myself not to use them. The game is amazing, but this is cancerous decision. Massive f-ing L, Atlus/SEGA. I hope you will learn from this and do not make such an idiotic UX decision.

[Arifufu]

agree, if you wanna an actual fair play, try Shin Megami Tensei Vengeance, there are DLC demons and they are locked behind Quest, so if you don't complete the Quests then you can't use the demons

without Persona DLC, Persona 5 Royal is the easiest persona game, if you wanna a real challenge, try from Persona 4 Golden first, no DLC Persona there and much cheaper than Royal, i know you start from a very well-known persona game and Royal considered as the easiest one, but enjoy Royal

i don't have problem with UX, it's really depend on personal taste

[Coffee Addict]

you can simply not use them

[Mistie]

Yeah stupid decision, they should at least have us option to turn off DLC, but it's all in game we can't do it anything about it. But we can just not use them, but i don't mind legally fuse and play with them, at least if they not too overpowered. It's cool to play with Magatsu-Izanagi. But i never play with Izanagi-no-okami, because he is too overpowered.

[Havard.H]

I think the original release of Persona 5 is better than the royal version. Some of the things they have added completely destroy any balance in combat and dungeons. Beating a palace in P5 on your first try was genuinely a challenge. In P5R it's a cakewalk. And I think some of the new story elements mess up the pacing. I'm glad I got to play P5 on the playstation 3 first.

[Nibbie]

They are not just given to you, so "I’m a type of person who prefers what games give them" works totally fine. You have to go out of your way to summon them, and if you lack the self control for even that, especially when you know ahead of time you don't want to, I don't think anything will help you. You are your own person, you don't need other people to make your decisions for you on how to play a video game. The fact that you aren't playing on easy already shows that you are capable of making choices that are not the easiest path, despite the game giving you that option; these personas are exactly the same kind of decision.

Also as an FYI, since you probably don't know, those personas exist because they were originally some of the DLCs you could purchase, which is why they are both OP and otherwise free. These ports of Royal include all released DLC, so they are available to everyone. The included DLCs are why the game isn't ~half the price it is now.

[Georgy ✪]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Arifufu:

agree, if you wanna an actual fair play, try Shin Megami Tensei Vengeance, there are DLC demons and they are locked behind Quest, so if you don't complete the Quests then you can't use the demons

without Persona DLC, Persona 5 Royal is the easiest persona game, if you wanna a real challenge, try from Persona 4 Golden first, no DLC Persona there and much cheaper than Royal, i know you start from a very well-known persona game and Royal considered as the easiest one, but enjoy Royal

i don't have problem with UX, it's really depend on personal taste

Thanks for the normal non-offensive reply — I did post the same to Persona 5 subreddit and I was belittled, berated, sh1ttеd in 99% of the comments. I also appreciate that you recognize that it’s a “fair play” issue.

That being said, first and foremost, the UX in this game is pretty good, so I was talking specifically about this “accessibility”/“fair play” issue. Though, if I think about it, changing characters outfits is a pain in the arse sicne you do not have any preview or whatsoever, but it’s a very-very minor UX issue.

As for Persona 4 Golden: I do not remember what difficulty I chose, but I can say for sure the game was way harder — I didn’t progress a lot, but I do remember having tough fights and, maybe, even dying a few times (maybe!). Persona 5 Royal on Normal difficulty? Man, it’s a joke. I eliminate all enemies in almost all battles in one go. And this is without OP DLC personas. Maybe I’ll ramp up the difficulty. That’s why I like the game to have intended experience, would be easier to decide what to play, though maybe they did design the game around Normal difficulty.

SMTV is a good game as far as I know, but I don't own it currently. I wanted to play Persona 5 for a long time, hence bought it recently. Buying Persona 4 Golden on Steam when I have it on my PSVITA is kinda eh, haha.

Thanks one more time for the kind hearted reply! I appreciate it.

[Tanktyr]

At least they are colored yellow so can choose just to ignore them, but wouldnt be hard for them either to have a menu option to start with dlc on or off

[Despair]

It's lame that they don't give you the option to not get the DLC personas or you know— not make them this OP? I just ignored those DLC personas from the start like they didn't exist and my experience wasn't ruined. There is a mod that reworks the DLC and gives you an option to not get the DLC personas or get them by paying but I haven't used it.

[Georgy ✪]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tanktyr:

At least they are colored yellow so can choose just to ignore them, but wouldnt be hard for them either to have a menu option to start with dlc on or off

Indeed, such a simple solution and the exerience way better. It’s like allowing users to enable godmode, wallhacks, infinite money for free just by talking to an NPC after 30 minutes since the start of the game. It’s BS.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Despair:

It's lame that they don't give you the option to not get the DLC personas or you know— not make them this OP? I just ignored those DLC personas from the start like they didn't exist and my experience wasn't ruined. There is a mod that reworks the DLC and gives you an option to not get the DLC personas or get them by paying but I haven't used it.

My whole point is about making them free and available right from the start of the game. If they had a toggle or something like that, then it would be way better — it would be like “hey, this is not an intended experiece for this game, but if you really-really want to breeze through the game or have a lot of difficulties completing it, then you can get these free OP personas, just press this button.”

Using mods to disable DLCs is idiotic, since what’s the point? “Just don’t use them”.

I managed to play without them, but I already added a bunch of them, so I have only 2 free slots for other personas. Obviously I can remove these OP personas, but I don’t want to, since I KNOW there might be a tough moment or whatever. It’s dumb to outright remove them because they will become paid. I really hate this kind fo stuff. I want the game to have specific rules — intended experience with clear descriptions what’s intended and what’s not. Look at Celeste or Dead Cells, they are really good examples. Both of them have assist modes, but they clearly tell you that it’s not an intended experience. Or Elden Ring — the game is pretty hard for most people, but you can level up easily by wandering around and you can also summon… eh… spirit ashes? Forgot the name. Basically, powerful NPCs that can help you in battle. Elden Ring is one of the easiest games in Souls series because it has an accessibility option, but it’s not outright easy or gives you cheesy ways to win.

[Dopey Shepard]

"Using mods to disable DLCs is idiotic, since what’s the point? “Just don’t use them”."

The most popular DLC Rework Mod out there is not idiotic at all, as it allows you not to take extra money and items the game gives you ( that would be pre-order bonus or smth that also made its way to PC version)

So yeah, basically use the mod

Also, the mod not only makes those Personas not-free but also nerfs them in a big way, making them your average Joes

I understand your frustrations but using the mod is the best way to go about it for those who are really upset by the free OP Personas

And while you are at it, you can mod and fix certain other things missing in the game, or make the game more whole. There are over 850 mods for PC version alone so the Sky's the limit