Okumura Boss?

[azagee]

I've beat Persona 5 OG and Royal on the PS4; I was just wondering if there was any kind of nerfing to the Okumura boss fight, or if difficulty scumming is still the way to kick his ass. Just wanna know how to set my expectations, thanks.

[kiteless 凧無し]

It’s still busted, basically a badly designed boss that clearly wasn’t play tested

Just use izanagi no okami picaro without a guilty conscience it’s included free in the steam/ps5 version, no longer paid dlc. Fight a broken fight with a broken tool, fairs fair

[Puzzlemint]

It's actually worse in Royal than it was in vanilla. New enemies only spawn in waves, so you can't advance the fight by just killing them one at a time. AND you have a set number of turns to finish each wave, or else you have to start the same wave over again.

At least in vanilla you could brute force your way through. In Royal, it's just a binary check. Do you have a setup that wins? If yes, winning is basically free. If no, winning is basically impossible.

[Turbo Alice]

This port doesn't bring any changes besides higher framerate and some minor anime cutscene changes.

Here's some tips, level up your party baton pass and technical rank to max before fighting the boss, get your designated party marakunda and masukunda from jazz club in August (you can put those skills on Joker too if you want), bring only those who have the highest magic stat and equip them with stat boosting accessories preferably Graceful Harp R from trans Orpheus since it boost the magic stat by 16 and make sure they all already have elemental boost skills too, make sure one of your persona have the pinch anchor trait with thermophylae skill (you can get it from the furry Mithra at level 38) this will be very useful when you have to buff your party. Lastly make sure you already craft enough amount of elemental items just in case.

By doing that the boss fight should be easy. I personally never had any problems with it, the only time I died was because of rng (Joker got hit by critical twice and died) but other than that it really wasn't difficult at all.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

the only time I died was because of rng

This line right here is why it's a bad boss. Even with a perfect setup, it's still possible to rng yourself into failure. It's the only boss in the game where unless you have prior knowledge of the mechanics and have setup specifically for it, you aren't going to win.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

This port doesn't bring any changes besides higher framerate and some minor anime cutscene changes.

Here's some tips, level up your party baton pass and technical rank to max before fighting the boss, get your designated party marakunda and masukunda from jazz club in August (you can put those skills on Joker too if you want), bring only those who have the highest magic stat and equip them with stat boosting accessories preferably Graceful Harp R from trans Orpheus since it boost the magic stat by 16 and make sure they all already have elemental boost skills too, make sure one of your persona have the pinch anchor trait with thermophylae skill (you can get it from the furry Mithra at level 38) this will be very useful when you have to buff your party. Lastly make sure you already craft enough amount of elemental items just in case.

By doing that the boss fight should be easy. I personally never had any problems with it, the only time I died was because of rng (Joker got hit by critical twice and died) but other than that it really wasn't difficult at all.

That's a big checklist of things to do to that requires a lot of grinding to beat this boss, something someone playing for the first time will have no way of knowing.

Just use izanagi no okami picaro and forget this boss fight exists. No one should be ticking of a big list of checkboxes because they couldn't be bother to playtest their game, my checklist has one item, then you can say its 'not hard at all'

[Turbo Alice]

Originally posted by Fear_TH3_Reap3R:

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

the only time I died was because of rng

This line right here is why it's a bad boss. Even with a perfect setup, it's still possible to rng yourself into failure. It's the only boss in the game where unless you have prior knowledge of the mechanics and have setup specifically for it, you aren't going to win.

You are already 50+ hours in by the time of Okumura palace, you already know the mechanics by that point.

Rng death is just a stuff that happens, it doesn't mean anything. If it makes a boss bad then I guess Shadow Sae is bad too because I got rng'd there as well.

[Turbo Alice]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

This port doesn't bring any changes besides higher framerate and some minor anime cutscene changes.

Here's some tips, level up your party baton pass and technical rank to max before fighting the boss, get your designated party marakunda and masukunda from jazz club in August (you can put those skills on Joker too if you want), bring only those who have the highest magic stat and equip them with stat boosting accessories preferably Graceful Harp R from trans Orpheus since it boost the magic stat by 16 and make sure they all already have elemental boost skills too, make sure one of your persona have the pinch anchor trait with thermophylae skill (you can get it from the furry Mithra at level 38) this will be very useful when you have to buff your party. Lastly make sure you already craft enough amount of elemental items just in case.

By doing that the boss fight should be easy. I personally never had any problems with it, the only time I died was because of rng (Joker got hit by critical twice and died) but other than that it really wasn't difficult at all.

That's a big checklist of things to do to that requires a lot of grinding to beat this boss, something someone playing for the first time will have no way of knowing.

Just use izanagi no okami picaro and forget this boss fight exists. No one should be ticking of a big list of checkboxes because they couldn't be bother to playtest their game, my checklist has one item, then you can say its 'not hard at all'

I bet you didn't even read it, lol. There's literally no grind in there unless you really think taking a few days off from grinding social link to do jazz club & darts a grind.

Also, that "big checklist" genuinely made the fight far more easier than spamming myriad truths.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

That's a big checklist of things to do to that requires a lot of grinding to beat this boss, something someone playing for the first time will have no way of knowing.

Just use izanagi no okami picaro and forget this boss fight exists. No one should be ticking of a big list of checkboxes because they couldn't be bother to playtest their game, my checklist has one item, then you can say its 'not hard at all'

I bet you didn't even read it, lol. There's literally no grind in there unless you really think taking a few days off from grinding social link to do jazz club & darts a grind.

Also, that "big checklist" genuinely made the fight far more easier than spamming myriad truths.

It is a checklist, make sure you have all these abilities etc. So grind a bunch of crap out in mementos for one badly designed boss

Stop the 'its easy' nonsense, I get tired of hearing people flex when it comes to this dumb boss. When your solution is to do a big bunch of crap that nobody on their first play through would have any way of knowing that's not a solution anyone wants to hear. I bet the first time you fought him he wiped the floor with you because you hadn't filled out your checklist that you probably got from looking in a guide.

This is not some super hidden boss, this is not even close to being the final boss. It's a boss that was easy in vanilla that some coder changed a bunch of variables for in royal without bothering to playtest anything. It is a broken boss fight and telling people to just use a broken persona (that'd given to you for free) is a far better and faster solution.

Fight broken with broken

[Turbo Alice]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

I bet you didn't even read it, lol. There's literally no grind in there unless you really think taking a few days off from grinding social link to do jazz club & darts a grind.

Also, that "big checklist" genuinely made the fight far more easier than spamming myriad truths.

It is a checklist, make sure you have all these abilities etc. So grind a bunch of crap out in mementos for one badly designed boss

Stop the 'its easy' nonsense, I get tired of hearing people flex when it comes to this dumb boss. When your solution is to do a big bunch of crap that nobody on their first play through would have any way of knowing that's not a solution anyone wants to hear. I bet the first time you fought him he wiped the floor with you because you hadn't filled out your checklist that you probably got from looking in a guide.

This is not some super hidden boss, this is not even close to being the final boss. It's a boss that was easy in vanilla that some coder changed a bunch of variables for in royal without bothering to playtest anything. It is a broken boss fight and telling people to just use a broken persona (that'd given to you for free) is a far better and faster solution.

Fight broken with broken

What mementos grind??? Itemizing Orpheus F literally cost pennies, baton pass can be ranked up at anytime you want, you only need to spend two sundays at jazz club or not at all, creating Mithra with pinch anchor and leveling him up until he get thermopylae isn't even a grind.

Those things will also help for the long term not just for Okumura especially thermopylae, but I guess since you rather spam Myriad Truths than learning how the game works you can't see that (kinda ironic too tbh lmao). Do you seriously learn nothing from the first 40+ hours of this game? Or even the hundred of hours from the original?

My first playthrough of this boss fight I didn't even do the things I listed and it was still genuinely easy. The rng death is the only memorable thing from it and that was because I foolishly unequip Arahabaki to heal and immediately got struck by two megaton raids. Can't really remember anything else from that fight other than the retry somehow far easier.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

It is a checklist, make sure you have all these abilities etc. So grind a bunch of crap out in mementos for one badly designed boss

Stop the 'its easy' nonsense, I get tired of hearing people flex when it comes to this dumb boss. When your solution is to do a big bunch of crap that nobody on their first play through would have any way of knowing that's not a solution anyone wants to hear. I bet the first time you fought him he wiped the floor with you because you hadn't filled out your checklist that you probably got from looking in a guide.

This is not some super hidden boss, this is not even close to being the final boss. It's a boss that was easy in vanilla that some coder changed a bunch of variables for in royal without bothering to playtest anything. It is a broken boss fight and telling people to just use a broken persona (that'd given to you for free) is a far better and faster solution.

Fight broken with broken

What mementos grind??? Itemizing Orpheus F literally cost pennies, baton pass can be ranked up at anytime you want, you only need to spend two sundays at jazz club or not at all, creating Mithra with pinch anchor and leveling him up until he get thermopylae isn't even a grind.

Those things will also help for the long term not just for Okumura especially thermopylae, but I guess since you rather spam Myriad Truths than learning how the game works you can't see that (kinda ironic too tbh lmao). Do you seriously learn nothing from the first 40+ hours of this game? Or even the hundred of hours from the original?

My first playthrough of this boss fight I didn't even do the things I listed and it was still genuinely easy. The rng death is the only memorable thing from it and that was because I foolishly unequip Arahabaki to heal and immediately got struck by two megaton raids. Can't really remember anything else from that fight other than the retry somehow far easier.

you have spent over 22 days playing a game that's barely been out like 6 months on steam. You are not thinking from the perspective of a casual playing this game for the first time, you are thinking from the perspective of something who has spent a ridiculous amount of time learning all the nuances and intricacies of the game

Most people aren't willing to spend over 500 hours on one single player game, so please stop with the boring flex, the dude literally asked a question

This fight is broken, the fact that you still admitted to dying despite your check list ticking endeavours speaks volumes, as does the fact that the fight is easier on merciless. How is some casual playing this for the first time supposed to know the fight is easier on the most difficult setting, who does that to make a game easier, that's just straight up dumb. I'd rather just cheese this broken fight, no shame in that

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

I'll just leave this here because you just don't get it and have resorted to childish insults, always a good way to know you've lost the argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc96idv3GOU&ab_channel=BOOFIRE191

I'm lost because of your no substantial argument? I'm genuinely confused.

Anyway, I've already watched that video some time ago. Linking a video of someone throwing a hissy fit over his skill issue won't help your already terrible argument.

My 'terrible argument' couldn't have been so terrible if it resulted in you resorting to throwing childish insults, that's what people do when they don't have any actual reply.

You haven't actually presented any evidence as to why this fight 'isn't broken', all I've seen is pointless flexing and impractical checklists that nobody on their first casual playthrough is possible going to have known in advance.

[Turbo Alice]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

I'm lost because of your no substantial argument? I'm genuinely confused.

Anyway, I've already watched that video some time ago. Linking a video of someone throwing a hissy fit over his skill issue won't help your already terrible argument.

My 'terrible argument' couldn't have been so terrible if it resulted in you resorting to throwing childish insults, that's what people do when they don't have any actual reply.

You haven't actually presented any evidence as to why this fight 'isn't broken', all I've seen is pointless flexing and impractical checklists that nobody on their first casual playthrough is possible going to have known in advance.

People will eventually get annoyed if someone keep cherry picking their words and then twisted them. That's literally your argument.

This fight is easy because it's a carbon copy of Madarame's fight up until the black robot, even for first playthrough this should already be obvious by the time he keeps changing the robots. Adding to this, you already fought these robots before and the game even already explicitly told you their weakness.

The black robot and the rng crit isn't even a problem when you use a persona that blocks or even better repels physical attack, obviously the party is still vulnerable to that. That's why you should remember to buff and debuff. I already said this in a way above but you chose to ignore that and cherry picked on me dying by doing dumb things part.

For the last time, you don't have to do the "checklist" it's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tip to make the boss fight even more easier.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Turbo Alice:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

My 'terrible argument' couldn't have been so terrible if it resulted in you resorting to throwing childish insults, that's what people do when they don't have any actual reply.

You haven't actually presented any evidence as to why this fight 'isn't broken', all I've seen is pointless flexing and impractical checklists that nobody on their first casual playthrough is possible going to have known in advance.

People will eventually get annoyed if someone keep cherry picking their words and then twisted them. That's literally your argument.

This fight is easy because it's a carbon copy of Madarame's fight up until the black robot, even for first playthrough this should already be obvious by the time he keeps changing the robots. Adding to this, you already fought these robots before and the game even already explicitly told you their weakness.

The black robot and the rng crit isn't even a problem when you use a persona that blocks or even better repels physical attack, obviously the party is still vulnerable to that. That's why you should remember to buff and debuff. I already said this in a way above but you chose to ignore that and cherry picked on me dying by doing dumb things part.

For the last time, you don't have to do the "checklist" it's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tip to make the boss fight even more easier.

'this fight is easy'

every fight is easy if you know the solution

you aren't arguing the point being made, that the fight is broken. I'm not going to reiterate the reasons because it's all laid out there in that video. But lets face it, you didn't waltz into this fight in your first playthrough and not get steamrolled unless you had planned in advance and you would only know what to do if you read a guide

[Wolfherz]

It's an easy fight if you have a basic understanding of game mechanics.

[Bankai9212]

Playing several other turn based RPGs it’s not that hard. The last wave is the only thing that threw me off because he’d buff the defense of one bot in the final wave. Other then that it’s not that bad just uninteresting and a slog if anything. A good representation of the games later half imo. Also what people define as “broken” is odd if it’s broken how are others and myself beating it?