Persona 5 Royal

Persona 5 Royal

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Killermoose69 Jan 26, 2023 @ 8:22am
I chose to stay in Maruki's reality
Because everyone is happy. Everyone in the world "Wishes" came true. Truly amazing.
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RezetteBombe Jan 26, 2023 @ 8:54am 
Yeah but it's a reality decided by someone else. You don't have free will. If you take a look around you'll see that not everyone is happy, and also some things make my think, for example:
Yusuke said that one of his painter friend changed and went following another dream. Maruki literally brainwashed him to make him "happy" so he won't suffer following his dream. Is that really right? Is it right to change the personality of Sumire and make her think she's her dead sister?
Exarch_Alpha Jan 26, 2023 @ 8:56am 
The biggest problem is what happens when Marki dies... hell, if even before that he has a change of plans
Izlude Jan 26, 2023 @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by RezetteBombe:
Yeah but it's a reality decided by someone else. You don't have free will. If you take a look around you'll see that not everyone is happy, and also some things make my think, for example:
Yusuke said that one of his painter friend changed and went following another dream. Maruki literally brainwashed him to make him "happy" so he won't suffer following his dream. Is that really right? Is it right to change the personality of Sumire and make her think she's her dead sister?

Ever have a friend that wants to be an animator but they cant draw? Should they endless pursue animating despite that they lack talent and so will never make it in that field? Will pursuing a dream they cant accomplish make them happy? Instead you want to find them an alternate path in life that they can actually not fail at. This is like basic guidance counseling.
RezetteBombe Jan 26, 2023 @ 9:17am 
Originally posted by Philogosten:
Originally posted by RezetteBombe:
Yeah but it's a reality decided by someone else. You don't have free will. If you take a look around you'll see that not everyone is happy, and also some things make my think, for example:
Yusuke said that one of his painter friend changed and went following another dream. Maruki literally brainwashed him to make him "happy" so he won't suffer following his dream. Is that really right? Is it right to change the personality of Sumire and make her think she's her dead sister?

Ever have a friend that wants to be an animator but they cant draw? Should they endless pursue animating despite that they lack talent and so will never make it in that field? Will pursuing a dream they cant accomplish make them happy? Instead you want to find them an alternate path in life that they can actually not fail at. This is like basic guidance counseling.

I agree, but I also think that the decision of pursuing a path or not is not up to others. Free will always lacks in Maruki's reality.

If I want to become a singer, even knowing my voice is not that good, is up to me to choose if I want to suffer to realize my dream or not.
Last edited by RezetteBombe; Jan 26, 2023 @ 9:19am
Izlude Jan 26, 2023 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by RezetteBombe:
Originally posted by Philogosten:

Ever have a friend that wants to be an animator but they cant draw? Should they endless pursue animating despite that they lack talent and so will never make it in that field? Will pursuing a dream they cant accomplish make them happy? Instead you want to find them an alternate path in life that they can actually not fail at. This is like basic guidance counseling.

I agree, but I also think that the decision of pursuing a path or not is not up to others. Free will always lacks in Maruki's reality.

If I want to become a singer, even knowing my voice is not that good, is up to me to choose if I want to suffer to realize my dream or not.

Well sure if you mean "pursue a more realistic goal because you cant pay bills chasing a dream" as a choice then sure. The choice is abandon your dream or be homeless. Such great choices. Also you could still try to be one in Maruki's reality the only difference is that instead when it doesnt work Maruki tries to convince you to take a different path via talking which is quite literally just what a therapist does when you are making bad choices in life.
RezetteBombe Jan 26, 2023 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Philogosten:
Originally posted by RezetteBombe:

I agree, but I also think that the decision of pursuing a path or not is not up to others. Free will always lacks in Maruki's reality.

If I want to become a singer, even knowing my voice is not that good, is up to me to choose if I want to suffer to realize my dream or not.

Well sure if you mean "pursue a more realistic goal because you cant pay bills chasing a dream" as a choice then sure. The choice is abandon your dream or be homeless. Such great choices. Also you could still try to be one in Maruki's reality the only difference is that instead when it doesnt work Maruki tries to convince you to take a different path via talking which is quite literally just what a therapist does when you are making bad choices in life.

I might repeat myself, but it's always up to me to decide if I want to be homeless to follow my dream, even if it sounds impossibile. I mean, Kurt Cobain with a voice full of mucus and minimal guitar skills became millionaire...

Maruki didn't try to convince Yusuke's friend, he just brainwashed him out of nowhere. Be a guide and give advice is a thing. Control someone's life is another.
Killermoose69 Jan 26, 2023 @ 11:25am 
imo stay with Maruki's reality is the true ending :)
Last edited by Killermoose69; Jan 26, 2023 @ 11:26am
Exarch_Alpha Jan 26, 2023 @ 12:43pm 
Well it certainly is the easiest. I fought until I got his Persona to 5% then lost, that was my "time to reduce difficulty to normal" moment.
Radiosity Jan 26, 2023 @ 6:49pm 
People not wanting to face reality is a large part of why our own world is as fecked up as it is right now :/
It's not even real happiness, none of it is real. When others see people talking to the "dead" they don't see anything at all except some people talking to air (source: Sumire HEARING Kasumi whenever someone called her Sumire).

It's people living inside their heads and that's literal insanity.
Silyon Jan 27, 2023 @ 1:02pm 
Maruki's world is nothing less than the ultimate escapism. Rather than confront your problems and find ways to deal with them, you throw them away and to hell with the consequences. Prime example is one of the Mementos requests during that arc, a mother forgetting the existence of her child because caring for that child was a source of stress and unhappiness in her life and a burden Maruki graciously "removed" for her. By removed, we of course mean making the child invisible and inaudible to her mother's cognition. No child means no problem, right? Never mind the little girl's happiness, her existence itself was the "problem" here.

That's just one example of conflicting desires that arise in Maruki's reality. When the solution to two or more people's stresses and traumas conflict with one another, who should be the one to get fulfilled? What of the "loser" in that decision? Maruki doesn't know, he has godlike power with none of the wisdom needed to temper that power and use it productively. So he erases or brainwashes people as needed to eliminate those conflicts, threatens to do that very thing with Akechi. For no reason than because he *THINKS* that's what Joker wants and would be best for him.

Pain, stress, and trauma are a fact of life. In many cases, they're the impetus behind our desires to change ourselves or our situation, for better or worse. Someone coming in and removing that from our lives means removing the reason for us to grow and change as people. If our every need and want is met, we stop dreaming for things we don't have, and have no reason to improve anything about ourselves or our situation. Maruki's reality is the death of the world through stagnation, and it wouldn't last beyond a generation or two.
Arifufu Jan 27, 2023 @ 5:08pm 
totally agree, stay in maruki's reality which mean u can seek to NG+ a slightly faster compare fight with him also getting maruki's reality still allow player to get ring of sorrow in NG+, however u won't get any choco from girl confidant nor celebrate valentine/white day if u choose maruki's reality but assuming u already got them in your previous playthrough so accept maruki's reality u won't miss a thing.

Sometimes i felt it's ironically that i use ring of sorrow a lot in fact it's my enemy's tentacle, yeah ring of sorrow is my most favorite accessory to kill mobs, so my PT version is kinda "yeah we can't accept his reality" but joker or any PT members can use his ability a lot.

I believe if Joker can also "copy" other Maruki's ability i bet Joker will be the next Maruki since Joker is the Trickster
Last edited by Arifufu; Jan 27, 2023 @ 5:09pm
Apollyon Jan 28, 2023 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by Killermoose69:
Because everyone is happy. Everyone in the world "Wishes" came true. Truly amazing.

sure, just like a doll living in a fake house where you control the doll life meaning you don't have free will

i mean come on, if you think his world is better then you always escape and whining about
how hard the real life stuff. ( maybe even complain about 8 hours work )

You can't achieve something without pain and suffering.

so no, not everyone.. if you love living in a fake world... or you don't care about reality and just want to be delusional. Sure, his world is for you.



Originally posted by Radiosity:
People not wanting to face reality is a large part of why our own world is as fecked up as it is right now :/

i agree with you here -_-
Dragon Master Jan 28, 2023 @ 3:48pm 
Maruki is the last person I'd want to put in charge of my reality. He has a messiah complex and he seems to outright reject solid and good therapeutic practices because it doesn't align with what he wants.

Maruki is all about taking pain away from people. He just wants to remove the pain and the stress so it doesn't exist because he intrinsically has no faith in people and their ability to grow and learn how to handle the pain. He was traumatized by what happened to his fiancee and has decided for himself that he knows what is better for everyone than what everyone else does.

His entire mental hospital shows that his method of dealing with people's trauma and desires is incredibly unhealthy. No one can grow in his reality, no one can have a feeling of accomplishment in achieving their dreams because Maruki doesn't believe that any struggle is worthwhile, and if you have to struggle and deal with the stress and pain then it is better to have a different dream.

Even before he has godlike power he is committing multiple ethics violations as a councilor. He is breaking confidentiality, he involves a client (Joker) with his personal research, he leads students to where he wants the answers to be and is trying to fix the students problems for them rather than do what a councilor is supposed to, let the students find the answers for themselves and being given the tools to solve their own problems.

Maruki also had shown with Yoshizawa that he had no problems whatsoever brainwashing students with his powers because he feels like he should be able to do that without consequence, all because he wants to help.

Maruki is not evil, but he is horribly misguided and his world will create an even worse one when he dies because all of society would then have lost all the tools it had to deal with problems and everyone would be as little children who had never had been told no their whole life and never had to struggle to succeed, to achieve a dream, or to make sacrifices for the good of themselves and their family.
Arisato Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:22pm 
If I'm forced to choose I would rather choose to make a deal with Yaldabaoth than Maruki.
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Date Posted: Jan 26, 2023 @ 8:22am
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