Why can joker use the previous protagonists personas?

[Taste Of Pancakes]

Title says it all, i know they were previous DLC and whatnot. But im concerned about the Lore implications this has, why do they choose to lend themselves to joker? and why are they good later down the line compared to Arsene who outlives his usefulness after like level 6?

[Nino Nakano]

It's actually explained, in a way, at the very end of the game....

[Taste Of Pancakes]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

It's actually explained, in a way, at the very end of the game....

like at the end of Royal or legacy Persona? i beat Legacy P5, and i assume its the same overall story as P5R, but if not, guess ill have to put my nose to the grindstone and play some more

[Nino Nakano]

Originally posted by Taste Of Pancakes:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

It's actually explained, in a way, at the very end of the game....

like at the end of Royal or legacy Persona? i beat Legacy P5, and i assume its the same overall story as P5R, but if not, guess ill have to put my nose to the grindstone and play some more

Royal, yes.

You...didn't keep separate saves for regular P5 and Royal, like I (and I assume many others) did? Or more specifically, a save file where the Maruki Confidant is at Rank 8 or lower?

[Taste Of Pancakes]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Originally posted by Taste Of Pancakes:

like at the end of Royal or legacy Persona? i beat Legacy P5, and i assume its the same overall story as P5R, but if not, guess ill have to put my nose to the grindstone and play some more

Royal, yes.

You...didn't keep separate saves for regular P5 and Royal, like I (and I assume many others) did? Or more specifically, a save file where the Maruki Confidant is at Rank 8 or lower?

No, i havent played persona 5 since Atlus had a ban on any type of videos past a certain date for the original game. this is my first playthrough with Royale so of course i havent done any sort of seperate saves. I just got to the part where madarame is introduced and they meet at that train bridge. So not far at all, just started.

[Djinn Tonic]

There are no lore implications, their inclusion is not canon.

In terms of the relative power, however, and why they're stronger than Arsene? I guess you can look at it as those personas represent how they were at the end of their respective games. Whereas Arsene is new on the scene, so doesn't have any real power behind him yet.

[記憶の果て]

Arsene gameplay-wise is just your starter persona basically a "trial/demo".
Lore-wise it's should be pretty powerful,
Opheus or Izanagi in their game are pretty weak as well but outside their game are pretty powerful.

[Faiyez]

Joker does not canonically have any of those Persona.

Using them is considered cheating.

[Killance]

The Trickster can use any persona. It's what makes them unique in their games. When someone has an undecided fate they don't have a set persona unlike other members of your party.

[Hanzo]

Originally posted by Killance:

The Trickster can use any persona. It's what makes them unique in their games. When someone has an undecided fate they don't have a set persona unlike other members of your party.

Not any persona. You see some personas are unique to character, like personas of your teammates. So regarding joker using persona's of other protags is just sugar dlc created to grab some cache from previous game fans.

[Demi Dratori]

The main thing to remember about the DLC persona from other games is that they were included as DLC in the original release (cannot remember whether its just Royal or vanilla P5), not exactly *built in* to the game with lore in mind. It was originally just there to allow fans of previous games to use their favorites.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider using them unless you truly want to steam roll the majority of the game.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Natural Brilliance:

Arsene gameplay-wise is just your starter persona basically a "trial/demo".
Lore-wise it's should be pretty powerful,
Opheus or Izanagi in their game are pretty weak as well but outside their game are pretty powerful.

Maybe your Arsene.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/gckiel/my_level_1_max_stats_ars%C3%A8ne/

[Taste Of Pancakes]

Originally posted by Djinn Tonic:

There are no lore implications, their inclusion is not canon.

In terms of the relative power, however, and why they're stronger than Arsene? I guess you can look at it as those personas represent how they were at the end of their respective games. Whereas Arsene is new on the scene, so doesn't have any real power behind him yet.

this is the best answer ive received yet. thanks

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Originally posted by Djinn Tonic:

There are no lore implications, their inclusion is not canon.

I agree.

[Arifufu]

IMO there's no lore implications.

It's more like fanservice, i mean u have beaten previous games such as P3P, P4G, dancing games or even Arena Ultimax, so Atlus giving chance to P5 players (especially to those players that have beaten previous persona games) to enjoy previous persona to a paywall DLC. In PS4 yes u can buy the DLC or not, but for re-release version on Steam, Xbox, Switch or even PS5 it's included whether the player like it or not.

Note: i don't think it's cheating, yes the DLC persona is way too powerful on early game, but it's INCLUDED in the game by the game developers, not by modders so i completely don't agree using DLC persona = cheating. Using mods is also not cheating, but if i need to choose between paid DLC or mod, i will go right away to paid DLC because it's official release. Some people might use both, use DLC persona including mods this is ok, it's completely up to the player and i don't consider both ways as cheating, it's more like a shortcut.

Yes they are too powerful compare Arsene or Raoul, but if u can mix the skill traits including the best skill combination out there i believe Arsene can be as powerful as Izanagi or Orpheus, it's only matter of how creativity P5 player to mix the skills.

There's no way Yu Narukami giving freely his Izanagi-no-Okami to Ren Amamiya, or later Ren Amamiya giving his Satanael to whatever P6 MC name is. That's why i am only using Picaro variants, i believe the original ones should belong to its original owner and not Joker, but again this is all depend on the players. Wanna go Arsene only no velvet room? Ok no probem, go with Izanagi or Orpheus only? It's completely ok

[Overeagerdragon]

.... you guys do realize that Arsene is just the seed of what Joker's persona ultimately turns into...right? I mean you can actually fuse his godkiller persona once you obtain the World Arcana...